In the comment section of my last post, several points were made about Matthew 24. It’s not the easiest passage to come to terms with. When I was a believer, I had trouble nailing down exactly what was being talked about in this chapter, because much of the language is figurative, and… well… a straight reading of the chapter can be a bit problematic for Christians. To illustrate, let’s jump in and take the entire chapter piece by piece:
Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
So Jesus tells the disciples that the temple will be torn down, so they ask him 2 or 3 questions, depending on how you read this: 1) When will the temple be destroyed? 2) What will be the sign of your coming? 3) What will be the sign of the end of the age?
“Your coming” and “end of the age” could be tricky. They’re vague enough that people could get into some heavy speculation about what they might mean. Most of us, if we’re just allowing the passage to speak for itself, probably assume these terms are talking about the “Day of Judgment,” the “end of the world,” the “final reckoning.” And there’s good reason for thinking that. The book of Matthew talks about the Day of Judgment a fair amount (Matt 10:15, 11:22, 24, 12:36, 42). In fact, there are two passages that are worth looking at in more detail. We’ll look at one now, but we’ll save the other for the end of the post.
The first is the “Parable of the Weeds,” which can be found in Matt 13:24-30. The explanation of that parable is given in verses 36-43:
Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Verses 47-50 say the same basic thing. This is what I think the disciples are asking about here in Matt 24. I’m sure some of you feel differently, and I’d like to hear your thoughts in the comment section. But for now, I’m going to assume they’re asking about the Day of Judgment.
4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
So the disciples seem to be asking about the destruction of the temple, as well as the Day of Judgment. It could be that they were wrong to assume that these 2 or 3 questions they asked had anything to do with one another, but Jesus doesn’t correct them — he simply starts answering. He says there will be false Christs and political unrest, as well as natural disasters. But the end won’t happen yet.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
So after the false Christs, political upheaval, and natural disasters, Christians will become persecuted by everyone. Many Christians will fall away because of it, but the gospel will still be preached and it will go throughout the entire world. Then the end will come.
Of course, much of this is still pretty vague. When are there not wars and rumors of wars? When are there not natural disasters? And what degree of religious persecution is Jesus referring to here?
15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
This seems to be speaking more about the destruction of Jerusalem, since it focuses on Judea. Referencing the “abomination of desolation” could refer to almost anything. In the Book of Daniel, it seems to reference Antiochus Epiphanes, but he had died long before Jesus’ time. It’s hard to say what Jesus may have interpreted it to mean.
Since this section seems to deal with the fall of Jerusalem, it would have been a great time for Jesus to tell the disciples that Judgment Day would come many centuries later. But he doesn’t do that. Instead, he seems to roll right into a description of the end times:
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
He warns them to not be led away by false Christs. And I think verse 27 is saying that when the “Son of Man” comes, everyone will know it. There will be no need to “spread the word” — it will be evident.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This passage says that after the preceding events, the Son of Man will come with great power and glory. His angels will gather the elect from the entire earth. What could this be, but the Judgment? It matches up very well with Jesus’ explanation of the “Parable of the Weeds” that we read earlier. Matthew 24 then follows up with this section:
32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
So when you see these things happen, you’ll know that the time is near. Verse 34 then says that these events would occur within their lifetime. Which events? All of them. Of course, that didn’t happen. And that’s why so many Christians wrangle with this passage and try to find another meaning for it. It’s also important to notice an earlier passage in Matthew that says the same thing (Matt 16:26-28):
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Jesus apparently expected the end of the world to occur within a few decades at the most. 2000 years and a lot of other failed “end of the world” prophecies later, and we’re still here.
But what about the rest of the chapter? Does it say anything to make us rethink the notion that Jesus’ prediction of the end of the world was so wrong?
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 47 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 48 But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51 and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So Jesus goes on to say that no one, only God, knows the day and hour that the end will come. Jesus himself didn’t even know. Does that change things? Does that mean that his earlier decree can be ignored? I don’t think so. Jesus (more than once) said that the end would come within a generation. The passage we just read simply says that the exact day and time was unknown. Jesus gave them a time range of decades, but could be no more specific than that.
This chapter, both in the way the disciples asked their questions and in the way Jesus answered them, gives the impression that Rome’s destruction of Jerusalem would herald the coming end of the world. If you think about it, that’s not all that surprising. Jerusalem fell in 70 AD, and most scholars believe the gospel of Matthew was written 10-20 years after that event. We don’t know who the author of Matthew was, but he was obviously very focused on the Mosaic Law — it’s likely that he was Jewish, or at least a proselyte. Imagine the shock he would have felt when Jerusalem fell! How could God allow that to happen, especially so soon after the “Messiah” had come? I don’t find it surprising that such a Christian would assume that signs like these must mean the end of the world was coming. And if Jesus was a real person, it’s possible he preached that the end was near as well. Every generation, a handful of people make doomsday prophecies. Some of the Old Testament prophets did too. But regardless of the author’s motivation, the end result still seems rather evident: Jesus (or at least the gospel writer) believed the end of the world was a few short years away, and he was dead wrong.
Like I said, when I was a Christian, I struggled to “make sense” of Matthew 24, because I just knew it couldn’t mean what it “seemed” to say. Now that I no longer have to make passages fit the end result I’m looking for, passages like this seem much clearer to me. But what do you think? Am I totally off in my analysis?
186 thoughts on “Matthew 24: Let’s Hear All the Theories”
OK, now I’m really confused – what happened to the Trinity, that was confirmed by the Council of Nicea, in 325 CE? How can anyone but a schizophrenic have such a distinctly divided personality partition, that one part can know something of which the other is ignorant?
I keep envisioning this schizophrenic peering into the bathroom mirror at his image, and singing, tauntingly, ♬ “I know something YOU don’t!”♪
Now there’s a phrase you want to here from an ex-Christian, right? 😉
Okay…let me go back and continue reading…
I find archy’s comment above very poignant. Is Jesus god or is he not? And how many gods are they anyway?
In the meantime I will wait and read comments of others more knowledgeable on this matter than myself.
If you choose to believe in prophecy, then it is simple to cry, “‘Aha!…you see, it’s all true ”
But if the dating is wrong and the gospels were penned considerably later than what so called experts claim ( and lets’ be honest, it is largely thumb suck as they don’t really know, now do they) then we can regard these texts as fulfilling a political agenda.
And in light of how fallacious the rest of the gospels are the latter makes more sense.
Or, as one of the audience members in Life of Brian, called out:
“He’s making it up as he goes along.”
From my comment on your last post you know that I agree with you that the plain reading is that whoever wrote this (and maybe Jesus said it too) meant that the end of world and Jesus’ return was going to happen within their generation. I don’t know Greek so it’s possible it really says something different in that language but scholars who know Greek don’t seem to think that the translation solves the problem.
And again if we allow for re-interpretation which seems to me to really take away the plain reading of the text or if we allow for “that part of the bible is just wrong but the rest of it is right” then we can save any other sacred text using the same techniques. For example the Quran could be wrong in certain parts but in the other parts – in the parts that matter (who decides what matters?) – it is correct.
And that is where my reference to Universalism comes in. I have a lot of respect for Universalists, and even though I don’t agree with them about there being a God, they seem to at least see the point that I’ve made in the previous paragraph. Universalists basically solve that by saying that there is partial truth in all sacred texts and in all religions and that God has simply created many different paths to get to Him – each religion being a different path. This is the kind of conclusion that allowing for interpretations that change the plain reading or declaring passages wrong leads me to (if I were to believe in God).
Absolutely Arch – believing that Jesus and God are the same God but yet Jesus doesn’t know things that God knows was always hard for me to rationalize. There are a lot of passages in the bible where it seems to state simply that Jesus is God, but then there are a lot of others which indicate otherwise. I think in the end the Jewish and Muslim point of view that Christianity is polytheistic rings true for me. It even sounds like the pantheon of Gods in polytheism where there is usually a concept of a god who had children.
Every time a Christian says that they know that Jesus is the son of God I can’t help but be reminded of this difficulty. When I was a Christian I would always just say that Jesus was God, because the whole “he is the son of God” thing didn’t make sense to me. Is he the child or is he God? I could say he is both but this just goes against the very definition of father and son that everyone agrees to – father and son are always meant to describe 2 different people.
Hank Hanegraaff’s solution to this is that “we can apprehend the trinity but not comprehend it”. Huh? Once again difficult beliefs in anybody’s religion can be saved from being declared wrong with this kind of logic.
Ah, that’s where we dispensationalists put the parenthesis in. 🙂
OK Nate, the above two blank spaces with my name on them represent two heroic efforts to follow your directions to the letter and upload an image – please delete them, as well as this comment, and any other signs of my obvious incompetence.
I staged the image is here, if you can do anything with it:
And as I said, please delete this comment and return your thread to normalcy.
I don’t have time to post right now, but I just wanted to say Arch…. Ha ha ha ha! Even if he does erase your boo-boo, we all saw that! 😉
Fixed it. Sorry you’re having trouble. I’m not sure what the problem is… This is what I typed in your comment:
<img src="http://api.ning.com/files/WltTFfACAjcWOZurMMhNabpy8GH4WEs6fsCUBzEb9tujk-Or3f4*-kU8TInrT4Nb2X76hw1qkrhssyLUhnP*XUda2679HmaT/Yeshua.jpg" />
Important note: if you’re reading my comment through email, what I just typed may not be showing up correctly. Look at how it displays here in the comment thread to see what you should type to insert an image.
And if you’d already done all that, and it didn’t work, I have no idea what’s going on!
By the way, that’s a space after the “
<img,” not a carriage return. Line breaks can be confusing sometimes 🙂
About that image … there’s a much simpler url that provides the same results: http://pigroll.com/img/are_you_there_dad.jpg. Sometimes it just takes a little research. 😉
In any case, it’s a great image that speaks volumes.
SO glad, Laurie, that you could afford to take time out of your undoubtedly busy schedule, to pop in and leave that little bundle of cheer – reciprocity is the cornerstone of Human social behavior/our – I’ll see if I can’t someday return the favor —
(Hey, unk, how was THAT for smarmy?! That was my “Higgins” imitation, from “Magnum, PI”!)
First of all, Nate, I would swear that was exactly what I input. The spaces couldn’t have been incorrect, because instead of typing my own, I copied and pasted your entire piece of code, then highlighted your URL, and pasted my own in its place – I don’t know how I could possibly have gone wrong (shut up, Laurie!).
Ok, maybe this goes against my whole be respectful thing, but the truth is that I couldn’t stop the laughter when I saw your pic of “It’s me, you”. If it’s any consolation to believers, I believed in the trinity for 5 years, so no offense meant. Maybe it’s just a little comic relief for me after trying to resolve what was so confusing for me back then.
And your pop culture references are cracking me up too – Gomer Pyle the other day and today Vinnie Barbarino – we must be about the same age.
“We must be about the same age.”
I don’t THINK so!
Ok, then you are very young quoting old stuff or quite old. which one?
Yeah, well, see, I do keyboard impressions, it’s, it’s, its kind of a lost art – I’m sure you just recognized my Jimmy Stewart!
oops – yeah sorry that one I missed.
Very old, quoting from anything that’s happened since I was hatched – of course, some of the prehistoric stuff goes over their heads – you had to have been there —
I mean, who gets, “Why did the stegosaurus cross the road?” Cracked ’em up before the asteroid, haven’t been able to get a titter out of it since.
And now you know why they lost it —
Going away now.
Sorry about the problems posting images, Arch. Maybe it’s only allowing me to do it since it’s my blog. I haven’t really looked up WordPress’s rules on this stuff, so I just don’t know.
If nothing else, maybe a good work around for a while would be for you to just post an image’s link in your comment, and when I see the comment, I’ll edit it to show the actual picture. I know there will sometimes be a delay, but maybe that will work till we can think of something better?
That would be great – what I did with the Jesus jpeg, was email it to a dead account, which stages it somewhere that I can access by double-clicking, which takes me to the staging page, which has a URL, which I can bring to you.
The CSS you mentioned earlier, was from me starting a message on the Think Atheist website, then without posting it, going into the HTML and getting the code, a good idea, but which apparently doesn’t work on a WordPress site.
Ah, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Most sites limit the kinds of characters that can be used to guard against scripting attacks. Blogspot, for instance, doesn’t allow the blockquote tag. Sometimes this stuff is frustrating.