Well, after breaking 2000 comments on the previous thread, I think it’s time to move to a new one. Feel free to continue the conversation here.
Also, I want to make a note about future posts. The tone on this blog for the last month or so has been decidedly different than what it used to be. While that’s definitely made things interesting, I’d like to move back to a tone more in line with the way things used to be. So going forward, I want the comments on all new posts to remain civil. We can all make our points, and I expect to see a wide range of opinions. But I don’t want to get into name-calling and bashing when we can’t all agree on particular issues. Let’s try to stay focused on the points and not get side-tracked with personal stuff. Let’s also keep each comment substantive so we don’t rack up so many comments in such a short period of time that it’s hard for everyone to keep track.
If you don’t feel like you can participate within those guidelines, then feel free to continue posting within this thread (and any future “Kathy” threads, if they’re needed), because I won’t be enforcing any guidelines here. But if you want to comment on any other posts, you’ll need to abide by the rules I just laid out. Otherwise, your comment will be subject to deletion, and after a warning, you might find yourself banned from at least that thread, if not the entire blog.
If there are any questions, let me know.
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Finding Truth 
Arch said:
“Kathy, RE: “And if you claim there is no evidence for either.. please answer this.. would you let Casey Anthony watch your children” – yes, I would. Now where does your argument go?”
There is no more argument.. it’s pretty obvious that you are incapable evaluating information/ evidence. ps. I hope you don’t have any kids, Arch..seriously!
pss.. I’ll find and post our exchange from post 2 so you won’t be confused about my other question/ point.
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“I concur 100%. There is a serious lack of objectivity with all the atheists here, including/ especially the author of the blog.. which is titled “FINDING TRUTH”..
Question, Nate.. HOW do you find truth by “moving on”?? Answer: you don’t.”
Kathy Nate is on record claiming he has already found the truth and though opened minded will NEVER be changing his mind. In a wonderful example of mental pretzel thinking he states it exactly like that in his “Never Going Back” post . Haven’t you read it?
Its a classic in terms of trying to have your cake and eat it. He is both close minded and open minded at the same time. lol
He conflates the Bible being a closed document with his knowledge of it being complete to get to his conclusion that he can do both but its absolutely awful reasoning skills on display and why if you ever thought this was a two way open discussion it was never ever going to be. The threads to you have all been about proselytizing you to atheism
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Quite a few of who/ what agree it is compelling?
Prophecy is simply interpretation. You still have to demonstrate the veracity of this claim as it relates to the claimed divinity of the biblical character of Jesus of Nazareth.
So far you have not provided a single scrap of verifiable evidence to support this divinity claim.
Now, once again would you please like to offer a single piece of verifiable evidence to back the claim of divinity for the character, Jesus of Nazareth.
Just one…
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“Prophecy is simply interpretation. ”
You could say of anything that its interpretation. Try saying something substantive for a change. Jesus Christ is a prophetic based name and Christianity is a prophecy based claim. So you either deal with that, get cracking on the prophecy examples I have given or piddle in the wind some more. What you won’t be doing is tying to redefine what Christianity is “solely”dependent on. Hand wavers have no such credentials.
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“What Husband that loves his wife would believe her to be a liar on the basis of translations of what she said rather than digging into the language themselves?”
The caveat here is “loves his wife” . Love is blind, I think we’ve all heard this. How many times have you heard someone in a committed relationship say, “I didn’t see it coming” ? That’s because their reasoning was blinded by their love. There may have been all sorts of little signs things weren’t right in the love nest but love overshadowed reasoning and kept one from seeing it.
“What person leaving the God they said they loved would not know all the answers given and yet over and over and over in debates you have been told things by me you OBVIOUSLY didn’t know and that were sitting right there for anyone who studied. Whether you accepted them or not is one thing but not even the point. The fact that you didn’t even know some of the key ones in almost every debate I have had on here is the main issue. it shows where your feet never tread”
YOU are committed to these things you see as truth . Because of your commitment , there’s no way you are ever going to question them.
“to quote Nate. I’ve seen too much . You’ve demonstrated so much you didn’t know that would be known by someone digging deep for the truth with a genuine commitment to God that – like it or not be offended or not I know its all a fraud even if its one you believe of yourselves”
You are digging deeper only to reinforce what you already believe. There’s no objectivity here.
“and to round it all off a few of you have ended up saying things that betray that you don’t even understand basic Christian teaching”
Not true, but many here may not understand the extreme fundamental Christian teaching you have undergone.
There is a very fine line between you , Kathy, and a fundamental extremist of any religion.
Fundamental extremists make it virtually impossible for anyone to adhere to the extreme teachings of their religion. Inclusive is NOT a word in your vocabulary.
You are as divisive as your holy book has made your god to be. You will never win the hearts of the world as a result.
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“the only thing That even has me check in with your tired intellectually dishonest crew anymore is Kathy. If she ‘s gone then I’d be too.” – I can see that, without you telling her what to think, she might actually allow some facts to seep in, and you can’t have that, now can you?
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The prophecy examples you have given only mean anything if one wants to believe, which only demonstrates how credulous you, being prepared to accept this nonsense when you would dismiss any such claim were it in any other field, especially history or science – as I said, interpretation, no different from any other such claim.
I don’t have to deal with anything, you silly man; you do, for it is your belief and once more, you have not offered a single piece of verifiable evidence for you divinity claims. Not one.
Thus you can have you little foot stamping moment, it will not alter anything.
You have nothing,my, man absolutely nothing, and all you are doing is confirming the belief of just how silly you, how effective is indoctrination and how completely unsubstantial your nonsense claims are.
So, if you really want to be taken seriously, or have even a tiny measure of integrity, then offer some verifiable evidence for your divinity claim for the character, Jesus of Nazareth.
Or, admit , that what you believe in is based on faith. Either or, I don’t mind.
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@Ark, RE: “then there is no reason whatsoever why anyone should take anything you say seriously at all.” – I never did.
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RE: “using handicapped little girls as insult material” – still milking that little girl for all she’s worth, right?
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Ark,
The motivation behind me becoming a Christian? In a word, FEAR.
For some long-forgotten reason, I got interested in reading Revelations. What a story! In any event, I guess it was the predicted sores, rivers of blood, blistering sun, earthquakes, fiery hailstones, etc., etc. that really got to me. Scary sh__!
Over a period of several months, I gathered as much information as I could about this gruesome book. Interestingly, most of the information I found was written by 7th Day Adventists (this was before the internet). Plus, my then-husband and I often got together with another couple (she was a Nazarene) and we had some long discussion about all the stuff that was supposed to happen in the end-times (including the dreaded anti-Christ).
Finally, my Christian mother-in-law (although she didn’t attend church) stepped in and directed me to a Pentecostal preacher that she knew. She assured me he would have the answers.
So, I met with him and his wife and, as they say, the rest is history.
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“I hope you don’t have any kids, Arch..seriously!” – ah, but I do, Kathy, they’re all capable of pinning Casey Anthony to the mat, why wouldn’t I let her watch them? She can watch me too, for that matter —
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Besides, you mindless little sheep, if Anthony DID kill her daughter, she did it because she felt her daughter was interfering with her enjoyment of life, and as wrong as that may be, it doesn’t mean that she runs around killing children indiscriminately – just one more example of your definition of objectivity.
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Rofl….. at These two
KK barfs “You are as divisive as your holy book has made your god to be. You will never win the hearts of the world as a result.”
Christianity already did and he’s in denial that they ever will
Arch – “Besides, you mindless little sheep, if Anthony DID kill her daughter, she did it because she felt her daughter was interfering with her enjoyment of life, and as wrong as that may be, it doesn’t mean that she runs around killing children indiscriminately – just one more example of your definition of objectivity.”
On what planet must this poor soul live on to think he just made a good point.
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“KK barfs “You are as divisive as your holy book has made your god to be. You will never win the hearts of the world as a result.”
“Christianity already did and he’s in denial that they ever will”
Current World Population = 7,250,244,000
Current Population claiming to be Christian = 2,200,000,000
REAL Christian Population according to Mike & Kathy = 2
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“Christianity already did and he’s in denial that they ever will” – how many members is Christianity losing every year? The numbers keep rising, which is why your kind want to try and squeeze Creationism into schools – to win new converts when they’re most vulnerable.
200 years from now, people will recall Christianity as a vague memory, as just another fable to be dismissed with all the other gods that Man has created, and all of the prophecies you now claim, will have been totally forgotten.
You, on the other hand, will be wormfood, and certainly not resurrected.
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“Current Population claiming to be Christian = 2,200,000,000”
The amusing thing about that is he thinks he’d just made a point that Christianity ONLY has worldwide over 2 Billion adherents….lol
“The caveat here is “loves his wife” . Love is blind, I think we’ve all heard this.”
News Flash!! you heard it here first. If you love your wife it means theres something mentally wrong with you
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“200 years from now, people will recall Christianity as a vague memory, as just another fable to be dismissed with all the other gods that Man has created, and all of the prophecies you now claim, will have been totally forgotten.”
Poor Arch the only person longing for the good old days that needs to try a prophecy to make it happen.
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KC, Neuro need to get in touch with you, could you leave a message on her blog?
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Thanks Arch.
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“News Flash!! you heard it here first. If you love your wife it means theres something mentally wrong with you”
The only thing mentally wrong Mike is your ability to twist someone’s comment into something it isn’t. But you come by it honestly. It’s a tradition that has gone on for over 2,000 years and counting.
You continue to reinforce what everyone here has thought about you from the beginning.
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It’s already dying out in Europe, and that’s just the beginning. Your time has past, you just don’t have the sense to fade away.
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“Just in case anyone (lurkers) still does not know and since in scrolling through I saw my name in two of his posts – I stopped reading and responding to William days ago in large part because in addition to having nothing substantive to say he took to claiming that using handicapped little girls as insult material was no big deal for him to do.”
Can I be the 2nd person here that you will ignore ?
Anyone else want to be ignored by Mike ? Crickets would sound nice for a change…………..
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KC – I love Mike’s wife too, does that mean there’s something wrong with me? I mean, other than the obvious —
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“…he took to claiming that using handicapped little girls as insult material was no big deal for him to do… – I have asked Mike repeatedly why he doesn’t use his faith, as prescribed in the NT, to lay hands on this child and heal her – I can only assume that his faith is not strong enough. Or, possibly, that it’s all BS, but no, that’s not possible, is it Mike? Is she healed yet? Why not?
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“You continue to reinforce what everyone here has thought about you from the beginning.”
Oh vey and you continue to think a reference to your majority of what? 7 or 8 people? makes some point for you that your logic can’t make for itself. I should care?? Funny stuff after trying to make a point about 2 Billion as a low number
“Can I be the 2nd person here that you will ignore ? ”
heres a thought. Don’t respond to me or mention my name constantly like you are in love and you wouldn’t have to request to be ignored? never occurred to you?
granted not even a quarter as intelligent as you claim for yourselves but still….
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