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Kathy Part 4

Nate

I may live to regret this, but I’ve decided to extend this never-ending conversation once again.

Kathy, this time, it would be a nice change of pace if you would actually address what William has repeatedly been saying to you:

I have. Not saying i’m perfect at it or that I’m right, but the “evidences” you listed arent real evidences. And since you refuse to look at things that are counter to your current beliefs, how can you honestly speak to me about evidences?

here’s all I’ve seen you provide:

1) martyrs, even though every religion and many non-religions have them.

2) our very existence – which no one knows how that started, but even if you must land on god(s), you must go back to that book of claims to get to jesus.

3) there were miracles, but as it turns out, those dont happen today, and end up being more claims by the same men who claim they speak for god.

4) the fulfilled prophecies we’ve discussed weren’t really prophecies at all, or had to be viewed so figuratively that it’s difficult to show anything precise about them other than location (maybe) in order to claim they’re actually fulfilled.

5) 40 authors taking 1500 years to write the bible. But there’s nothing miraculous about men writing books, editing books, and being inspired to write a book or letter after reading an older book.

About that last point, if the Bible had been written by 1500 people scattered across the globe, who didn’t know one another, and they did it in 40 days, then you’d really have something incredible. But 40-ish people, all familiar with the Jewish god, and writing over a long period of time with the previous writings as reference, is not that impressive.

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  1. Yes, I believe in the scriptures as a whole. Ya said he would send a false prophet to test his people and see if they would keep the commandments, I believe that person was Paul

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  2. RE: “Laurie, I’m not claiming that Jesus did away with the law… —

    Kathy (@kayms99) says:
    August 31, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    “Jesus did away with those strict laws and rules.”

    No, of course you didn’t —

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  4. Laurie,

    “Yes, I believe in the scriptures as a whole. Ya said he would send a false prophet to test his people and see if they would keep the commandments, I believe that person was Paul”

    Many of the laws of the OT were abolished by Jesus.. like the need for sacrifices and the laws
    that go along with that. Many of those laws of the OT were for that specific time for that specific group of people. Jesus came and told us that it wasn’t about the laws, it’s about what is in our hearts.

    I don’t see Paul as a false prophet based on the evidence you’ve given so far. He provides powerful testimony for Christianity.. his miraculous turn around is more of the powerful evidence that I have been putting forth for others here.. who are struggling to understand this kind of evidence.

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  7. “Jesus reinforced THE law.. the 10 commandments.” – There are SO many more laws than the Ten Commandments, which includes the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill,” after which, in Leviticus and Numbers, your god tells us all of the people who need to be killed.

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  8. “…his (Paul’s) miraculous turn around is more of the powerful evidence that I have been putting forth for others here.”
    Kathy, he said he saw a light – exactly what is that proof of?

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  9. “The Pharisees sit in Moses seat, whatever they tell you, that you shall do – Matthew 23” – if I might translate: “The Pharisees sit in Moses seat, about whom there is absolutely no evidence, but if you’re inclined to accept a myth, whatever they tell you, that you shall do.“

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  11. I don’t believe that Jesus told them what He said.. and fyi, I and probably everyone who reads that scripture wonders about how the writer can know what Jesus said and did during that time and others.. like what Jesus was thinking in some instances. You all continue to ignore that God is involved in all of this. He CAN give the writers this information…

    I’m glad you mentioned this, Kathy. And I’m not being disparaging here — this is how I viewed it when I was a Christian too. I believed that this was part of the inspiration process — God told the writers things that they wouldn’t have been able to know on their own. And for the things they witnessed, he helped them remember those things perfectly. This is how they were able to recount Jesus’ prayer, or his temptation in the wilderness, or Mary’s virginity.

    BUT this creates another problem. If God were inspiring them in this way, then there’s no room for error. When the gospels disagree about what day Jesus died, or what time, or what his ancestry was, there’s no good way to reconcile it with the authors being inspired. We can’t chalk inconsistencies up to the way people remember things differently, because God’s inspiration should correct all those little flaws.

    But the flaws exist. Why?

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  12. Nate, you make an assumption that God is inspirational with all the writers, 100% of the time. Why is it all or nothing? I believe that God has allowed the Bible to be just as it is. Some things as they are written do cause us to question, and I believe that God chose not to intervene. He leaves it to us to work it out. Those who don’t want to work it out won’t. And those who do, will find the answers.

    About the Sabbath.. I don’t work on Sundays but I don’t believe it’s wrong to work if it is necessary. Just like Jesus healing a person on the Sabbath.

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  14. Kathy,

    Messiah said that there was no new law, and that everything is the same as it was in the beginning.

    There are no sacrifices because there is no temple.

    According to the prophets, messiah will come and rebuild the temple and he will be a king and priest. He will offer sacrifices, to include the sin offering.

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  19. Paul’s writings are in the scriptures because YHWH said he was going to send a false prophet to test his people.

    Yahusha spent a good portion of his ministry warning of this very thing. It is the sifting of the wheat from the tares.

    You can follow Yahusha (Torah) or you can follow Paul, but you can not follow both.

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  20. I’ll rephrase that,

    How do you determine what’s accurate and right in the Bible? since you seem to believe Paul is wrong.

    And if you think this, why do you think the Bible would contain such “deceptive” letters as Paul’s?

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  21. Laurie,

    “There are no sacrifices because there is no temple.”

    Can you cite the passages that support this?

    “According to the prophets, messiah will come and rebuild the temple and he will be a king and priest. He will offer sacrifices, to include the sin offering.”

    Also for this? And, why did Jesus die on the cross if we still have to atone for our sins?

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  22. Sorry about that. I am on a cell phone with horrible service, and by the time my post has gone through and my phone has refreshed, there are 10 more comments!

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  23. So are you saying that you think God sent a false prophet into His own scriptures? Are not scriptures meant to be instructions on how to obey God? How does this make sense to you?

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  25. Or at least, Laurie, are you saying God allowed a false teaching in His 66 books of Scripture? That’s sounds confusing. Is God an author of confusion? The Bible states that He’s not.

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