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Kathy Part 4

Nate

I may live to regret this, but I’ve decided to extend this never-ending conversation once again.

Kathy, this time, it would be a nice change of pace if you would actually address what William has repeatedly been saying to you:

I have. Not saying i’m perfect at it or that I’m right, but the “evidences” you listed arent real evidences. And since you refuse to look at things that are counter to your current beliefs, how can you honestly speak to me about evidences?

here’s all I’ve seen you provide:

1) martyrs, even though every religion and many non-religions have them.

2) our very existence – which no one knows how that started, but even if you must land on god(s), you must go back to that book of claims to get to jesus.

3) there were miracles, but as it turns out, those dont happen today, and end up being more claims by the same men who claim they speak for god.

4) the fulfilled prophecies we’ve discussed weren’t really prophecies at all, or had to be viewed so figuratively that it’s difficult to show anything precise about them other than location (maybe) in order to claim they’re actually fulfilled.

5) 40 authors taking 1500 years to write the bible. But there’s nothing miraculous about men writing books, editing books, and being inspired to write a book or letter after reading an older book.

About that last point, if the Bible had been written by 1500 people scattered across the globe, who didn’t know one another, and they did it in 40 days, then you’d really have something incredible. But 40-ish people, all familiar with the Jewish god, and writing over a long period of time with the previous writings as reference, is not that impressive.

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  3. KC – from Part 3:
    “Kathy, you are correct that Elohim has a plural usage in the OT. Show us where the Plural Usage points to a Son and a Holy Spirit ? This is certainly your intent by mentioning it at all.”

    KC, I neglected to update you on Kathy’s latest dictum, regarding evidence – if it’s something that (in her opinion) “everybody knows,” you don’t have to provide evidence, since everybody knows it’s true. I take it she has no plans to practice law. Or walk and chew gum.

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  4. Whew, I’m relieved that y’all aren’t angry at me! I never know how I come across in writing and whether I make sense. I’ve been following this blog for a while, Nate, and I find it intriguing. I’m of the mindset to “seek first to understand and then to be understood,” so I’m trying to understand where many atheists and agnostics are coming from. (I’ve grown up in the Bible Belt and in evangelical churches, so I’m practically wallowing in Christianity. Makes it hard to understand others’ perspectives.)

    Thanks for the welcome. I look forward to hearing more from y’all. (There’s some Southern for you.)

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  9. But Arch, feathers that may be, but apparently your not strictly a bird though right? 🙂

    I always pictured you as a fellow human being. If you are a bird though, that’s cool, no stress.

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  10. Aw cheez – IT’s back —

    (Did I say that out loud?) Oh, Hi Ark –

    Wotcha, Feather Brain. In between bouts of Kathy-Bashing, here is a site I can almost guarantee you will love to play on. Like a Pig in Muck, in fact. These people were tailor-made for the Ark</del) … Arch.

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  14. “I always pictured you as a fellow human being. If you are a bird though, that’s cool, no stress.” – Let’s just say I’m a transitional species —

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  16. “Ark, what site? Looks like your comment got cut off.” – He probably forgot all about it, he tends to fade in and out.

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  18. Nate,

    Messiah actually just means anointed, and there were a lot of anointed ones in the Tanakh.

    Just an interesting side note, Paul says the anti Christ will sit in the temple, but according to the Tanakh this is the true messiah.

    Isaiah chapter 2, 11, and 42. Also Jeremiah 23, 30, 33 and Zechariah 6:12,13.

    Messiah is called the branch, and YHWHs righteous servant. He will build the temple, and be a king and priest. He will offer the temple offerings to YHWH.

    Christians are waiting for Jesus to come and swoop them away, but Torah teaches the messianic era is here on earth.

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  19. I’ve heard a lot of Christians say they would know it was the Anti Christ, cause Jesus won’t touch the ground, and we will be caught up in the air to meet him, and so will we ever be with the Lord. Hmm Lord? That comes from the word Baal right?

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  22. “Christians are waiting for Jesus to come and swoop them away, but Torah teaches the messianic era is here on earth.”

    Sho’ ’nuff does!

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  23. “Lord? That comes from the word Baal right?” – LONG before that – it dates all the way back to the Akkadian empire in Mesopotamia, 3rd millennium BCE.

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  24. Like the Ark calls himself Arkenaten, which in Egyptian means, “Lord Arkena (“ten” meant “Lord”), so “Setten,” which evolved to “Satan,” meant “Lord Set,” the evil brother of the Egyptian god Osirius. Baal is actually, “Ba’al,” or “Lord Ba,” the “al” evolved from the Akkadian “el,” which in Sumarian (the people the Akkadians took Mesopotamia from), took the form of “en.” Sumarian “Enlil” (chief god of the Sumarian pantheon), became “El’lil” in Akkadian.

    Hope you’re paying attention, it WILL be on the final exam.

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  25. “I look forward to hearing more from y’all. (There’s some Southern for you.)" – we have more than a few here who can readily understand, "All a y'all," and "Ya et yet?" We've got one who says, "Crikey!" and a transplanted South African who says "Pip Pip, Cheerio!" and "T'ra!" – a definite smorgasbord.

    You might want to start, Laura, by familiarizing yourself with the Documentary Hypothesis – few theists actually study the background behind their own religion – I don't care what you believe, as long as you REALLY know what it is you're believing, and why.

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