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Kathy Part 4

Nate

I may live to regret this, but I’ve decided to extend this never-ending conversation once again.

Kathy, this time, it would be a nice change of pace if you would actually address what William has repeatedly been saying to you:

I have. Not saying i’m perfect at it or that I’m right, but the “evidences” you listed arent real evidences. And since you refuse to look at things that are counter to your current beliefs, how can you honestly speak to me about evidences?

here’s all I’ve seen you provide:

1) martyrs, even though every religion and many non-religions have them.

2) our very existence – which no one knows how that started, but even if you must land on god(s), you must go back to that book of claims to get to jesus.

3) there were miracles, but as it turns out, those dont happen today, and end up being more claims by the same men who claim they speak for god.

4) the fulfilled prophecies we’ve discussed weren’t really prophecies at all, or had to be viewed so figuratively that it’s difficult to show anything precise about them other than location (maybe) in order to claim they’re actually fulfilled.

5) 40 authors taking 1500 years to write the bible. But there’s nothing miraculous about men writing books, editing books, and being inspired to write a book or letter after reading an older book.

About that last point, if the Bible had been written by 1500 people scattered across the globe, who didn’t know one another, and they did it in 40 days, then you’d really have something incredible. But 40-ish people, all familiar with the Jewish god, and writing over a long period of time with the previous writings as reference, is not that impressive.

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  9. I’m fairly certain I’ve done the lead/led thing. I think I saw it just after I hit the “post comment” button. Too late! Cue arch for a WordPress diss.

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  10. My new phone puts out every time I try to type it or is. Its not nearly as smart as it Should be for what it cost! I hate out! Ha ha ha, he he he! 😊😄 just kidding!

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  12. Yeah, it felt pretty good!

    I love travertine, but smaller tiles are easier to work with, and travertine chips and breaks when installing, so it creates a lot of waste.

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  16. Hmm…I’ve installed a pretty good bit of tile but I’ve never worked with travertine. :/

    Nate and william are running out now to get their new “smartphones”. 😀

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  17. I can’t stop laughing! That is how it looks!

    Ruth,
    You are not guilty, at least not in this thread. I did it, so did William, and Nate, and Kathy twice!

    We are all bad proof readers! Oh well!

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  19. It cuts like butter, and can be rubbed with a stone for smoothing, which I really like. Its just these huge tiles I’m not a fan of.

    I love all the different travertine mosaics!

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  20. Ruth,

    “Kathy,

    I have. At which time you said you weren’t going to answer my “new” questions – which weren’t new questions at all – until I’d answered your question that had already been answered a number of times. Round and round the mulberry bush.

    Ruth
    September 5, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Btw,

    I wasn’t just referencing my questions. William and Laurie have both asked you questions which you either deliberately (and dishonestly) avoid – questions they’ve both asked a number of times.”

    Instead of posting all of that, why couldn’t you just repost the question(s) you want answered??

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  21. Laurie, RE: “He sounds brilliant, and I love to run into young people like that, you know…” – he’s ex-military, as are you – I think you might have things in common.

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  22. Instead of posting all of that, why couldn’t you just repost the question(s) you want answered??

    Because reading back through all these comments is quite time consuming. And they’ve been posted and asked to you many times. Why would one more make any difference? You’re not going to answer them anyway.

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  23. The rest of which verses?”

    Laurie’s comment on the 2nd @ 2:48 pm

    and in particular regards to this verse:

    “23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Which you yourself had commented on the debate about the meaning
    of “iniquity”.

    This is that portion of scripture with the surrounding verses:

    15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    Context here has nothing to do with love nor grace.

    This is how I was taught to read scripture: Whenever a verse is followed by a therefore that scripture applies to the previous one. Therefore whoever does what Jesus says is like a wise man who built his house on a solid foundation. What did Jesus just say? He just said that “on that day many will say to me Lord, Lord have we not preached in your name? Have we not cast out demons in your name? Have we not done many good works in your name?” Then Jesus says to them in the literal translation:

    “And then I will declare to them, “Never knew I you, depart you from me, those working lawlessness.”

    This is coming from the literal translation from an interlinear Bible. Why would Jesus say to them depart from me “those working lawlessness” to people who had done “many good works” in his name? Because following the law is not considered a “good work”. No, your “good works” will not save you, but a Jew is not excused from following the Mitzvot. And gentiles are not excused from following the Noahide Commandments according to scripture.

    I challenge you, Kathy, to post any of Jesus’ teachings – the red letter words – that teach that one is saved by grace alone.

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  24. There are more but I’m not hunting them all down. If William or Laurie want to repost their questions again that’s up to them.

    The fact of the matter is, Laurie expected you to read those scriptures so that you could discuss what role Paul has as the false prophet and what she meant by the symbolism of the Passover. She expected you to read those and do your own thinking. You want us to do all the work for you so you can’t just say the equivalent of “nuh-uh” with no evidence except your understanding of scripture – not even the scripture, itself.

    I can almost assure you that Laurie is not implying that Jesus died on the cross for symbolism, but she was trying to impress on you that you needed to understand the symbolism and be familiar with it for her arguments to make any sense. You are probably the only one here who thought she literally meant that she thought Jesus died for symbolism. Wonder where you get that literalism from…as if there’s no symbolism in Jesus’ death on the cross for Christians even.

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  25. Thanks Ruth! I was just going to let it be, but I think I will add to that!

    Kathy, Do you know what Paul said about the crucifixion, and reason for Yahusha’s death?

    Why are you trying to argue this? This had nothing to do with whether Paul was false or not, and everything to do with you avoiding the topic at hand.

    Any Christian that has read their bible will tell you that the feasts point to God’s plan for redemption. It is really quite simple. The difference between you and I is, that you think most of the bible is irrelevant and all you need to know is saved by grace, and I think every word and letter was written for a reason. I think you could study the bible every day for ten lifetimes and not know the fullness of its truth. Your to busy trying to argue with me to try and understand what I believe. Especially in this case, where our beliefs are not that different. Do you think the Jew believe they are saved by grace?….the word in the new testament for grace is charis, this is the equivalent of the Hebrew word chesed. Chesed means mercy. Yes we are saved by grace (mercy). But we are not saved by grace apart from the works of the law. It is the righteous who receive mercy, and righteousness comes by following Torah.

    When Paul says there are none righteous, he misquotes the Torah. There are many righteous, because righteousness is not the same as perfection! King David was a murderer, and an adulterer, but he was considered righteous by God.

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