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Kathy Part 4

Nate

I may live to regret this, but I’ve decided to extend this never-ending conversation once again.

Kathy, this time, it would be a nice change of pace if you would actually address what William has repeatedly been saying to you:

I have. Not saying i’m perfect at it or that I’m right, but the “evidences” you listed arent real evidences. And since you refuse to look at things that are counter to your current beliefs, how can you honestly speak to me about evidences?

here’s all I’ve seen you provide:

1) martyrs, even though every religion and many non-religions have them.

2) our very existence – which no one knows how that started, but even if you must land on god(s), you must go back to that book of claims to get to jesus.

3) there were miracles, but as it turns out, those dont happen today, and end up being more claims by the same men who claim they speak for god.

4) the fulfilled prophecies we’ve discussed weren’t really prophecies at all, or had to be viewed so figuratively that it’s difficult to show anything precise about them other than location (maybe) in order to claim they’re actually fulfilled.

5) 40 authors taking 1500 years to write the bible. But there’s nothing miraculous about men writing books, editing books, and being inspired to write a book or letter after reading an older book.

About that last point, if the Bible had been written by 1500 people scattered across the globe, who didn’t know one another, and they did it in 40 days, then you’d really have something incredible. But 40-ish people, all familiar with the Jewish god, and writing over a long period of time with the previous writings as reference, is not that impressive.

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  1. Haylinder, THANK YOU! We’re traveling and the internet isn’t the best where we’re staying or I would have responded sooner. Very much appreciate the plug, even tho’ we all know Kathy will never read it. I can hear it now — “Lies! All lies! She was never a Christian!”

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  2. Here’s a Messiah for you, Kathy – the Messiah who would rather switch than fight —

    Sabbatai Zevi

    Sabbatai Zevi (שַׁבְּתַאי צְבִי Shabbetai Tzvi, other spellings include Sabbatai Ẓevi, Shabbetai Ẓevi, Sabbatai Sevi, and Sabetay Sevi in Turkish) (August 1, 1626 – c. September 17, 1676 was a Sephardic Rabbi and kabbalist who claimed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. He was the founder of the Jewish Sabbatean movement.

    At the age of forty, he was forced by the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed IV to convert to Islam. Some of his followers also converted to Islam, about 300 families who were known as the Dönmeh (converts).

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  3. “I think on the other side of a computer sits a concerned and decent person with strong views.” – who refuses to look beyond the boundaries of her indoctrination and actually think for herself. If you believe that to be an inapt description, Portal, then please cite evidence to the contrary – show us one example of where she has said that she could be wrong, and that someone here may instead have been right.

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  4. “And I don’t really want to dig up examples of unnecessary meanness just just in case anybody asks.”

    Not necessary, I’m sure I would top that list – but examples of extraordinary insightfulness on Kathy’s part would be nice – I’m sure the list would be far shorter.

    In the very first segment of this thread, Portal, you called me down as being “harsh” for saying, “Kathy, you wouldn’t know evidence if it slapped you in the face!” And yet, throughout 4000 comments, she has striven mightily to prove me correct.

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  7. “The same counter-arguments you’d use against those four statements can be used against yours, as well.”

    Kathy must be very short, Ron, because all attempts to get her to put herself in another’s place have gone right over her head.

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  8. Portal,

    “Your all right 🙂

    I think on the other side of a computer sits a concerned and decent person with strong views.”

    Thank you Portal, I appreciate that..
    I think you’re all right too 🙂

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  9. Matt

    September 7, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Kathy you have ignored my question. If there is evidence that God exists, why is faith required to please God?

    It’s not empirical evidence (according to atheists).. therefore faith is required.

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  11. Words that Kathy Doesn’t Understand

    1. Objectivity
    2. Proof
    3. Fact
    4. Evidence
    5. Compelling
    6. Debate
    7. Truth
    8. Hearsay
    9. Analogy
    10. Obfuscate
    11. Logical
    12. Context
    13. Circular Reasoning

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  12. Arch’s self projection list:

    Words that Kathy (Arch) Doesn’t Understand

    1. Objectivity
    2. Proof
    3. Fact
    4. Evidence
    5. Compelling
    6. Debate
    7. Truth
    8. Hearsay
    9. Analogy
    10. Obfuscate
    11. Logical
    12. Context
    13. Circular Reasoning

    ev·i·dence (v-dns)
    n.
    1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.

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