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Kathy Part 5

Nate

After breaking 1000 comments on the previous thread, I felt it was a good time to start another.

As a reminder, here are some of the most recent outstanding questions for Kathy:

From Laurie:

You said you answered my questions, and wish more questions were asked. Here are some questions that were not addressed.

Matt 23:8 read first

Philemon 1:10
1 Corinthians 4:14-17
1 Corinthians 12:27
2 Timothy 1:11
1 Timothy 2:7
Ephesians 4:11,12

Why is it that messiah says not to be called rabbi or father, but Paul it’s not obedient to this command?

Matt 10:7,8

1 Timothy 5:17,18
1 Corinthians 9:11,12

Messiah says here that he had given freely, go and freely give. Again, Paul is disobedient.

Matt 18:15

Galatians 2:11-14

Messiah said that if you have a problem with your brother, you should deal with it privately. Here Paul lashes out at Peter “before them all”.

Matt 9:10-12

2 Thessalonians 3:6,7

Yahusha said in the passage above that he came to call the sinner to repentance, not the righteous. Why would Paul want to separate from those that actually need him?

From William:

the “evidences” you listed arent real evidences. And since you refuse to look at things that are counter to your current beliefs, how can you honestly speak to me about evidences?

here’s all I’ve seen you provide:

1) martyrs, even though every religion and many non-religions have them.

2) our very existence – which no one knows how that started, but even if you must land on god(s), you must go back to that book of claims to get to jesus.

3) there were miracles, but as it turns out, those dont happen today, and end up being more claims by the same men who claim they speak for god.

4) the fulfilled prophecies we’ve discussed weren’t really prophecies at all, or had to be viewed so figuratively that it’s difficult to show anything precise about them other than location (maybe) in order to claim they’re actually fulfilled.

5) 40 authors taking 1500 years to write the bible. But there’s nothing miraculous about men writing books, editing books, and being inspired to write a book or letter after reading an older book.

In addition to these, I’d like to ask something of both Kathy and Laurie (Matt or Hayden or portal001 (Ryan) can chime in as well):

The Bible defines God as being all-loving, all-merciful, fair, just, etc. It can also be read as promising an eternity in Hell for those who don’t serve him correctly. As a believer, how do you square those two statements?

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  1. Clearly by what can be seen that there is a God who has been deemed to be good yet people are deprived of basic needs – up to and including food – regularly.

    Ruth,

    what I was trying to convey through that was that just because deprivation exists (and sucks) does not mean all deprivation is bad. and the example I gave was that Christian understanding is that Jesus was deprived for the sake of humanity.

    In other words, God deprived Himself for the sake of His creation.

    Hope I’m making more sense Ruth, sorry if my response was confusing. Its pretty late where I’m sitting, also I’m a bit riled up, just got off playing Cod with a friend on Steam. We more or less got smooshed! but getting better. I digress. I’m going to grab a coffee.

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  3. what I was trying to convey through that was that just because deprivation exists (and sucks) does not mean all deprivation is bad. and the example I gave was that Christian understanding is that Jesus was deprived for the sake of humanity.

    Certainly self-denial can be noble. But how does that relate to temptation to sin, especially in the case of God/Jesus for whom it would be impossible to sin?

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  4. Ryan,

    I think what I’m trying to say is that the devil doesn’t whoosh us off anywhere and announce that he’s the devil and then try to tempt us blatantly.

    Our temptations are much more subtle than that. Moreover what turns out to be temptation in the eyes of some is nothing more than a life choice between a myriad of options and what seems to be the best one at the time.

    For the record, before anyone calls for the padded wagon and the straight jacket, I don’t believe in the devil anymore than I do a god.

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  6. @Ruth,

    well done, I only dream of that day. well nightmares actually

    my family and our Irish gardener Rapheal was wiped out in a freak confetti clipping accident…

    blue and red poke a dots everywhere…ever since that day I’ve had a phobia of anything with any sharp edges…

    butter knives… staples….David Howell Evans…sharpners, the list goes on.

    This is actually where I currently reside.

    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=UdXaYiWpnpUxiM&tbnid=hzPMYtn0urYpEM:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fspearbook.blogspot.com%2F2012_01_01_archive.html&ei=27oRVKKWG8ne8AW90oHwDQ&psig=AFQjCNERNN7fIXqlbWywakMeKpuwkfmTfg&ust=1410534449525331

    so now I’ve finally dropped my mask 🙂

    so next time you use those safety scissors, remember its all fun and games until the room is encapsulated in a ball of little, tiny weeny confetti. That and broken dreams…

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  7. ok, that link def did not work 🙂

    picture instead a middle aged man sitting in a bubble, with a laptop, with a fixed expression of discontent firmly on his face, mixed with slight apprehension…..That was the picture you missed out on, well if it existed. it was a guy in a little bubble with a laptop anyway 🙂

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  9. “if I ran into magic man that wooshed me up! onto the top of a mountain to view the whole city” – Portal, please provide evidence that “magic men” exist —

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  11. Ryan,

    I did figure that out, about the scissors. I’m way smarter than I let on. 😉

    I was wondering about that link. I didn’t know if you were attempting to direct me to your blog or what.

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  13. Portal, please provide evidence that “magic men” exist –

    Arch, I’ve never met or talked to a magic man,

    but if I did I could tell you I have some evidence. But I don’t.

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  16. Going to stop filling up this blog with videos for a while hey,

    I’m sure it may be a bit annoying for some people. Yolo.

    But seriously I’ll stop :I

    until told otherwise

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  18. Ok.

    So his temptation was not the same as ours.

    In the sense that we have not been directly and personally tempted by the devil, I agree

    But Jesus was. And He was tempted for our sakes. Jesus can empathise with our suffering, since He took all of it, all transgressions. Spiritually and physically on the cross.

    To quote a song (and paraphrase it): It was our sins that held Him there, until it was accomplished….You or I may never face such temptations (which I’m more than happy about) but Jesus having an understanding of who He was still didn’t mean He couldn’t be tempted I don’t think. For example, Jesus had the option of not drinking the cup He was given for our sakes.

    But finally He instead said: yet not my will, but yours be done. (Luke 22:42)

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  20. Arch, I’ve never met or talked to a magic man,

    but if I did I could tell you I have some evidence. But I don’t.

    come to think of it Arch,

    even if I did, I still wouldn’t be able to provide you with evidence…. :/

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  21. Good morning! I got a good laugh from all your comments!

    I think Yahusha’s temptation was like anyone else’s but worse. He was a man. The holy spirit was upon him, but according to scripture we are able to have that gift as well. He knew the outcome, but if you read the scriptures, than you can know the outcome too. He also knew he was going to suffer in an unimaginable way. It was his choice. He asked the father to pass the cup from him, if possible. If you really think about it, knowing something is going to happen is way worse that just having it happen. If I knew this tile was going to fall off the ceiling, I would have moved. I can’t imagine standing there waiting in anticipation. Taking the deal would have seemed pretty tempting to me.

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  23. I think Yahusha’s temptation was like anyone else’s but worse. He was a man.

    Laurie, didn’t I see you say somewhere that Jesus is not God? That makes a difference in how one might perceive this. I just don’t see how God could be tempted to sin against himself – even in human form.

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  24. But Laurie, he knew it in a way that no one else can. Even for someone whose faith approaches certainty, they still don’t really know. Even if they think they know that an afterlife awaits them, are they sure that they’ll be found worthy? And how does it work? Do you immediately go stand before God to be judged, or do you spend some time in a holding tank?

    And for someone like you, who holds to the OT understanding of the afterlife (if I understand you correctly), what do you think Sheol is?

    Jesus would have known all of that. And as for his temptation, how could it really be that? Satan is trying to tell him that scriptures give him the authority to do _____, but how could that have been convincing to Jesus? It would have been like trying to tell Darwin evolution is false while pointing to the Galapagos finches…

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  25. making it difficult for me to attack you!

    haha 🙂 nobody can attack a boy in a bubble. people have tried believe me. once got rolled out the door, down the street. I’m invincible! Although it took about 4 hours to get a lift back, embarrassing story.

    Insert video here >

    Anyway, who would of thought those nuns would have known how to use a forklift?

    Anyway as the saying goes…

    On the other hand, you have different fingers.

    But I digress 🙂

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