Many people are aware that Josephus, a Jewish historian from the late first century, mentions Jesus Christ. In fact, it’s often used as evidence that Jesus really existed. Of course, many of those same people are also aware that Josephus’s most detailed mention of Jesus, called the Testimonium Flavianum, has been embellished by a later Christian (perhaps Eusebius?). We know this because the passage says a number of things that no non-Christian would say, and Josephus was definitely not a Christian. Here it is:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
— Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3, 3
I’ve highlighted the most suspicious phrases. There are different views on how much of the passage is authentic, but most scholars do think that Josephus wrote something about Jesus here. In part, this is because of a later passage that references Jesus in a way that indicates Josephus had already introduced him in some way:
…so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others…
— Antiquities of the Jews, Book 20, Chapter 9, 1
In 1971, the scholar Shlomo Pines directed people to a version of the Testimonium Flavianum found in a 10th century text from Asia Minor:
At this time there was a wise man called Jesus. His conduct was good, and [he] was known to be virtuous [or: his learning/knowledge was outstanding]. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.
— John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus, p. 373
This version seems much more in line with what you’d expect from a non-Christian historian, and it may be more in line with what Josephus actually wrote. However, you’ve noticed that portions of this are highlighted as well, and those areas represent phrases that still could have been inserted by later Christians. Or to state that more accurately, it may be the result of Christians fixing the initial additions so they aren’t so glaring. They certainly would have had opportunity, since this text was maintained by Christian scribes.
Anyway, while I find all that interesting, it’s not the main thing I wanted to talk about. I’ve known the preceding information for quite a while. But I’ve recently been reading Crossan’s book The Historical Jesus, and he happened to quote something else from Josephus that I found fascinating. Josephus writes a bit about John the Baptist, and while it’s a little lengthy, I’d like to quote the whole thing here:
Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod’s army came from God as a just punishment of what Herod had done against John, who was called the Baptist. For Herod had killed this good man, who had commanded the Jews to exercise virtue, righteousness towards one another and piety towards God. For only thus, in John’s opinion, would the baptism he administered be acceptable to God, namely, if they used it to obtain not pardon for some sins but rather the cleansing of their bodies, inasmuch as it was taken for granted that their souls had already been purified by justice.
Now many people came in crowds to him, for they were greatly moved by his words. Herod, who feared that the great influence John had over the masses might put them into his power and enable him to raise a rebellion (for they seemed ready to do anything he should advise), thought it best to put him to death. In this way, he might prevent any mischief John might cause, and not bring himself into difficulties by sparing a man who might make him repent of it when it would be too late.
Accordingly John was sent as a prisoner, out of Herod’s suspicious temper, to Macherus, the castle I already mentioned, and was put to death. Now the Jews thought that the destruction of his army was sent as a punishment upon Herod, and a mark of God’s displeasure with him.
— Jewish Antiquities, 18.116-119
I find it really interesting that Josephus has so much to say about John the Baptist, especially compared to how little he really says about Jesus. The emphasis seems flipped. The gospels portray John as someone who’s paving the way for Jesus. In fact, we’re led to believe that the coming of Jesus is almost the entirety of his message, but there’s no hint of that from Josephus. There’s no connection at all between the two men, as far as Josephus is concerned.
That doesn’t necessarily mean anything. But if Jesus had really been divine, if he had really performed miracles too numerous to count (John 21:25), if he had fed and talked to many multitudes, and if his fame had spread around the region (Mark 1:28, etc), why wouldn’t Josephus have written more about him, especially since he was so aware of John the Baptist?
Anyway, I just found this interesting. I’d love to hear what you guys think. Am I making too much of this, or does it strike you as weird too?
1: Crossan, The Historical Jesus, p 373
2: Livius.org, Josephus on John the Baptist
3: Wikipedia.org, Josephus on Jesus
Jesus made a mistake, therefore Jesus was not perfect, therefore Jesus was not God, therefore Jesus was just a man.
If Jesus was just a man, he is still dead.
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@ Unklee
“But there is a growing movement in christianity to be open to the evidence and honest about dealing with it. People like CS Lewis, NT Wright, Francis Collins, Peter Enns, Dennis Lamoureux, Rob Bell and many others in various ways and times are having an influence.”
I was agreeing until you lost me at CS Lewis. Then again NT Wright isn’t really much better…
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Hi Powell, happy this time of the year!
What differences do you see between the ones you mentioned and didn’t approve of and the ones you didn’t mention and presumably have less problems with? I’d be interested in how you see this.
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@Unklee
Merry Christmas!
What I’m saying is mostly tongue-in-cheek. But my takeaway from reading CS Lewis is that he make tons of claims without evidences, and then pretend to be learned. But this is just my personal take.
Perhaps it’s the writing? Perhaps it’s the style?
I dunno, but CS Lewis does not give me a fact-by-fact read compared to say Peter Enns and Francis Collins whose writings I find more factual based (again all interpretation done by me and me alone). NT Wright to me is somewhere between CS Lewis vs the other 2.
And of course, lastly my bias shine through as my father-in-law first impression after knowing my deconversion is to ask me to read CS Lewis (I’ve already done that prior to deconverting), and I just find it utter ridiculous that many Christians (my FIL wasn’t the only one) actually sincerely think that CS Lewis has successfully made a case for God. If anything I only regard his stuff as apologetics 101. So maybe his popularity with christians make me have an extra bone to grind.
I’m not sure about where you’re from. but from where I’m from, CS Lewis is like THE APOLOGETIC GOD (with Strobel coming second) while I’m pretty sure none of my Christian friends have even heard of Enns or Collins much less read their books.
Rob bell is a hack job. There, I said it. Mars Hill Bible Church is a huge get together feel good camp rather than actual theistic learning center.Personal opinion.
Dennis Lamoureux is extremely conflicted in his position which suggest that he didn’t really think through it much, or read other arguments from his own Theist camp that disagree with him. Then again, I believe he is closer to the Catholic beliefs vs the evangelical side.
So in actual fact, come to think about it, objectively I rate Bell and Lamoureux less than CS Lewis, but perhaps it’s due to CS Lewis mainstream appeal that kinda seals the deal for me.
Hmmm…. Wait I take that back…. I think I rate CS Lewis on the same pedestal as Bell and Lamoureux. What can you say, I’m a confused man too lol.
Damn it, I’m getting too committed to this and you’ve made me think about this more deeply. Leave me and my cognitive bias alone Unklee!
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Hi Powell, thanks for answering. I didn’t mean to make you think deeply on Christmas Eve! But I was interested in your views.
I think it depends on what aspect of their thinking we are considering. I personally have been influenced by CS Lewis more than just about anyone. Sure his apologetics was “light” but that was because he was writing for the “man in the street” (excuse the sexism in that cliche!). But he offered a lot more than apologetics to me – he really did cover more in his thinking than most people. (These days, I would rate people like WL Craig, Alvin Plantinga, JP Morling, Ed Feser, etc, as “deeper” apologists, but he is still a better communicator than any of them.)
I sort of agree about Rob Bell – but I think he is a brilliant communicator and provocateur. But I appreciate all of the people I mentioned.
Thanks again. I am quite interested that you are familiar with all of them. Best wishes.
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WL Craig,is an innerantist who upholds and promotes the belief that Divine Command Theory justifies genocide.
Because of this and other philosophical bullshit he peddles he is a disgusting excuse of a human being and it doesn’t say much for the intellect and character of anyone who would hold him in high esteem.
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