Well, after breaking 2000 comments on the previous thread, I think it’s time to move to a new one. Feel free to continue the conversation here.
Also, I want to make a note about future posts. The tone on this blog for the last month or so has been decidedly different than what it used to be. While that’s definitely made things interesting, I’d like to move back to a tone more in line with the way things used to be. So going forward, I want the comments on all new posts to remain civil. We can all make our points, and I expect to see a wide range of opinions. But I don’t want to get into name-calling and bashing when we can’t all agree on particular issues. Let’s try to stay focused on the points and not get side-tracked with personal stuff. Let’s also keep each comment substantive so we don’t rack up so many comments in such a short period of time that it’s hard for everyone to keep track.
If you don’t feel like you can participate within those guidelines, then feel free to continue posting within this thread (and any future “Kathy” threads, if they’re needed), because I won’t be enforcing any guidelines here. But if you want to comment on any other posts, you’ll need to abide by the rules I just laid out. Otherwise, your comment will be subject to deletion, and after a warning, you might find yourself banned from at least that thread, if not the entire blog.
If there are any questions, let me know.
Thanks
Finding Truth 
Kathy asks: Would you let Casey Anthony watch your children?
No more than I’d leave them unattended with a Catholic priest, or a Baptist minister, or Christian fundamentalists like these folks…
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“So deal with the five prophecies given to you and stop trying to duck and weave.” – mike
why should anyone else deal with them when you wont? You only select a verse or two out of context and declare “fulfilled!” Why dont you deal with the entirety of your prophecies and for starters can explain how Ezekiel 37 is fulfilled when there is no israeli leader from the line of david, and how christians are out numbered in israel and how there’s a mosque where the temple once stood?
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“Sheeesh way to go for consistency …in denseness. The verifiable evidence is prophetical in nature which is why that has to be dealt with first. At least try and keep up.” – mike
Several of these have been address, like Isaiah’s “virgin prophecy” here: https://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/prophecy-part-5-virgin-birth/
we can discuss that one more on that thread.
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is there an OT prophecy that the messiah would be deity?
eventually it will come down to evidence for jesus being divine…
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Ron,
That video is so sad. Those poor girls.
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Precisely, William, and no matter what Mike says, his religion hinges on this belief.
Without the Resurrection there is no Christianity….ask the character Saul of Tarsus!
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but i dont mind discussing prophecies. Mike is just trying to dodge the problem by saying he wont start where you want to, but he’s not better off in the prophecies.
He had already began discussing the virigin birth on that thread, but then ditched out so he could back over here to get lost in Krauss and neurology.
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So many comments have been generated from these letters to Kathy.
Although, I think it’s better to have quality over quantity.
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“Precisely, William, and no matter what Mike says, his religion hinges on this belief.
Without the Resurrection there is no Christianity….ask the character Saul of Tarsus!”
Oh my….soooooo then….Resurrection is now synonymous with being divine. So the Bible teaches Lazarus was divine too eh?
You just couldn’t make up this level of ignorance. lol
See why I will not take the issues out of order? Your silliness will just you have you running all over the place making erroneous claims.
Still no sign of dealing with the five prophecies already presented. Why am I not surprised?
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“Oh my….soooooo then….Resurrection is now synonymous with being divine. So the Bible teaches Lazarus was divine too eh?” – mike
are you saying that people can rise from the dead without god’s help?
if you want to talk about the prophecies, go here where can finish this one:https://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/prophecy-part-5-virgin-birth/
and you can also elaborate on the Ezekiel 37 prophecy that you mentioned out of context.
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Still i must confess since you mentioned William it would be interesting entertaining to read what he said to see if he botches this as badly. maybe this once? (I know….i will regret it)
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well, mike, if you’re not going to read the comments, it seems a little ill conceived to claim that no one is addressing your points.
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Truly you are the most ignorant screwed in the head prat I have ever come across. Jesus’ resurrection is synonymous with the claims for his divinity, but I don’t recall Lazarus bringing himself back form the dead?
If you feel you are better qualified to define the resurrection than Saul of Tarsus then be my guess.
So, once again, evidence for the divinity of Jesus, Mike. Yes, or No? Or are you going to stand there with your you-know-what in your hand all day and mouth off ridiculous garbage?
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“Mike is a pathological liar, something you would have seen had you been lurking long enough. I asked him if he was a mentally handicapped little girl because he says ridiculous things. It was low brow and in poor taste”
Oh My what a liar. he didn’t task me if if I was A mentally handicapped Girl. He was specifying a particular one that I had “adopted” and then he went on for posts after saying he had apologized claiming it was no really big deal.
nothing of any substance….oh and apparently he has deluded himself into thinking he offers more compelling points than his other comrades (all of whom I read) as to why he is ignored by me.
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“nothing of any substance….oh and apparently he has deluded himself into thinking he offers more compelling points than his other comrades (all of whom I read) as to why he is ignored by me.” – mike
also of little substance, your responses. Instead of talking about the biblical points or your errors with your prophecies, you dwell on these things to avoid the points.
Again, you can say no one is addressing your points, but everyone who reads this thread will realize your points are being addressed and that it’s you who continually dodges.
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Mike wrote: You are an authority only in your own mind.
Wonder if he was looking in the mirror as he wrote this?
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“Truly you are the most ignorant screwed in the head prat I have ever come across. Jesus’ resurrection is synonymous with the claims for his divinity, but I don’t recall Lazarus bringing himself back form the dead?”
Oh my…the blunders just keep coming. It is the clear teaching of the Bible that God rose Jesus from the dead.
Acts 2:24 (KJV)
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2:32 (KJV)
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 (KJV)
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 4:10 (KJV)
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Romans 4:24 (KJV)
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Romans 6:4 (KJV)
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
1 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
Galatians 1:1 (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Please present all the verses that state that Jesus resurrected himself to prove he was divine.
Good night…You guys are bad
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what proves jesus was divine?
the prophecies? Which ones?
We can discuss the virgin birth prophecy here: https://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/prophecy-part-5-virgin-birth/
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I would agree with the mike, the bible is pretty clear that jesus isnt all powerful or all knowing either. The thing is though, the miracles surrounding jesus were supposed to support his claims of his divine nature – I would assume the resurrection could be counted as
But there’s still a good question, where’s the evidence for his Resurrection?
and another good question is, if mike (TBlackman) wants to discuss the prophecies, then whys isn’t he?
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William,
““It’s irrelevant who brought up santa.. what is relevant to THIS point is that YOU made a claim that the evidence for both being real was the same.” – Kathy
Well then it is relevant since you made the same comparison, but to another religion. I was merely giving you your own argument back to you. But let’s leave santa behind as we both think it provides nothing to the conversation.”
You’ve injected confusion into my very valid point.. that most certainly DOES provide clarification (for you) as to the very foundation of what we are debating.
You tried to claim that martyrdom evidence was the same for all religions.. which is the reason I brought up a fictional scenario of a man, claiming to be an elf, killing himself to testify to the truth of santa claus. This was an attempt to help YOU understand the difference between his “martyrdom” and that of a person who doesn’t claim to be an elf, being martyred for an actual faith that billions have ALSO attested to. This point provided EVERYTHING to the conversation William.. it shows how you are wrong in your assessment of the value of martyrdom and other evidence.. which again, you incorrectly claimed was the same for all religions.
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kathy, which religion that I mentioned has members who believe they are elves… or anything besides faithful disciples?
it looks like you’re saying your analogy was right because all other religions are made up – just like santa is, but havent havent illustrated that point beyond saying they’re ficticious.
and guess what, i also think Christianity is not true. So using martyrs doesnt serve as evidence.
I dont really know what you’re trying to say…
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and kathy, if you’re saying that a christian martyr is different than every other martyr, then please illustrate that difference so i can understand your position.
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William cont..
” How many times must I answer? I don’t think any religion has evidence of being truly divine; just as I don’t think any 10 year old has any evidence or meaningful credentials of being a doctor; and just I couldn’t name a type of roach that is the prettiest.”
Nope, sorry William, this isn’t going to work.. my question doesn’t even ask which religion you think is “divine”. And I just don’t believe you aren’t comprehending my question.
“And again, you are welcome to show the credentials that you think makes Christianity true.”
I have. It is YOU who has failed to show how any other religion meets the level of evidence that Christianity has.
“Kathy, we’ve been through this and through this, but you still seem to think that martyrdom only becomes evidence for the truth of the cause if that cause is Christianity. ”
Not true. Provide my exact words to back up this claim, William. I acknowledge that the major religions have “evidence”.. it’s right IN my question that you refuse to answer.. I’m asking which has the MOST evidence!
William, please take the time to understand my points instead of twisting them to fit your narrative. This is dishonest.
“Let me ask you, what about the christians that decided to denounce Christianity and preserve their own lives in order to avoid dying for it? Do you think that is evidence of Christianity’s lack of truth, or would you then admit that an individual’s actions only stand as evidence for their belief and/or devotion to Christianity?”
Yes William! That COULD also be evidence against the truth of Christianity! But it’s very weak evidence because it’s the EASY way out.. the complete OPPOSITE of those who don’t recant. Which makes their testimony ….. ready?… WEIGH MORE.. it makes their testimony COMPELLING evidence… someone recanting because they are afraid to die… NOT COMPELLLING evidence.. it’s the EXPECTED reaction for humans. It’s borderline “evidence”. That you refuse to acknowledge these FUNDAMENTAL differences reveals your lack of objectivity, William. And I believe you are a good representation of all the atheists here on this blog.
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“Nope, sorry William, this isn’t going to work.. my question doesn’t even ask which religion you think is “divine”. And I just don’t believe you aren’t comprehending my question.” – mike
then I’ve misunderstood your question. What credentials for truth are you referring to if not in regard to the divine claims?
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sorry that was kathy, not mike
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