There’s been a really interesting discussion over on Howie’s blog for the past few weeks. It was really at this comment that Howie started me thinking along the lines that led to this post. He said:
I personally think there have been plausible naturalistic explanations for how belief in creator gods developed in human minds. While it could definitely be true that there really are creator gods that caused this evolutionary development to occur that doesn’t mean that creator gods is the correct explanation. If we can agree that we do have plausible naturalistic explanations (and obviously people argue whether or not that’s true) then that’s where I feel Occam’s razor could have a valid application. You know from other conversations that I do believe Occam’s razor is really just a guideline rather than a hard and fast rule, and that’s where I think I struggle to figure out exactly where I stand on the whole thing.
I think Howie’s right. Occam’s razor is a great guideline, but there’s no guarantee that it’s always right. Sometimes the simplest explanation is not the right one.
But despite the lack of a guarantee, I think there’s another angle to this when it comes to some religions. I’d like to come at this point in a round about manner, so let’s begin with an example. Long ago, most people believed the earth was flat. And this wasn’t just based on a whim, they had actual justification for that belief. If the earth wasn’t flat, then anything on the sides or the bottom would slip off, right? Any child could understand that. They were, of course, completely wrong about that belief, but it’s very easy to understand why they would have held it. Their belief was based on evidence — misunderstood evidence, granted, but evidence nonetheless. It’s easy to forgive their misunderstanding. In fact, most people would probably say there’s nothing to forgive.
When it comes to the existence of God, I think we’re in a similar position. It’s possible that a God or Gods set everything into motion that led us to where we are today, and for a very long time, that was the prevailing explanation for existence. But today, many of us no longer feel that deities offer the best explanation for why we’re here. There’s no clear evidence of the divine at work in our world today. Examples of evil and suffering are easy to find. And science has helped us find natural explanations for how the universe and its forms of life operate. Not all questions have been answered, but many of us feel that Occam’s razor is great justification for believing that those remaining questions will also have natural explanations.
And that brings me to my main point. Even if we’re wrong, those of us who are atheists are justified in not believing in gods. That doesn’t mean we’re right. However, while Occam’s razor isn’t a law that proves we’re right, it gives much more strength to our position when talking about certain kinds of gods. This isn’t a situation in which it could easily go either way — Occam’s razor actually stacks the deck strongly in our favor.
Consider Christianity: most versions of it teach that God is going to judge humanity for its sinful nature, and the only way to escape this judgment is to put faith in God and his son Jesus Christ. We’re also taught that this god is righteous and merciful — he is a wholly good god who can not do evil, and he loves us enough (even while we were sinners!) to sacrifice his only son. But such a god doesn’t fit a reality where one can be justified in believing that there is no god. If atheism is justified, it wouldn’t be right to punish someone for being an atheist, just as it wouldn’t be right to punish someone who lived 4,000 years ago for believing that the earth is flat.
Ryan Bell, the former 7th Day Adventist pastor who famously decided to try atheism for a year, recently wrote something similar:
For the sake of argument, let’s say, “God did it.” God kicked off the entire process by igniting the Big Bang. This is essentially the God of deism—a God who is not involved in the affairs of our world, and has not been since he got the whole thing started. So, to come back to my first question on the first day of the year, “What difference does that God make?” I’m not inspired to worship that God. That God cannot possibly be described by the Bible and Jesus was incorrect in his understanding of that God, because that God has been absent for 13+ billion years. Frankly, I’m surprised that so many Christians even make these cosmological arguments. They don’t get us any closer to the Bible or Christianity.
If we try to cover that gap and posit a God who not only caused the Big Bang but is involved in the world, we run into other problems—mostly ethical problems. Why is God so silent and inert? Why is God such a bad communicator? Why are people killing each other to defend their version of God? And why does it seem so much like we are evolving as a species and editing our view of God as we go along?
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Occam’s razor works for the unbeliever in at least two ways: First, justified atheism makes it very hard to believe in a god who would punish unbelievers. Secondly, the only kind of god we’re left with probably doesn’t matter a great deal. As Bell says, what difference does he make? It’s similar to the Delos McKown quote, “the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.”
I think that Occam’s razor provides very good justification for atheism, but it’s not a guarantee — sometimes the simplest explanation isn’t the right one. But most religions define their god(s) in such a way that Occam’s razor deals them a critical blow. It’s their own assertions that do them in. At least, that’s how I see it — what do you think?
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“Unlikely as God may be, coming from nothing is even more unlikely (IMO). I know you’re not going to agree, but I thought an answer should be given. 🙂
Which god?”
This always seems to be the problem. For anyone to claim “Their God” alone created the universe is rather naive and/or arrogant .
Either a “Creator” can reveal himself to ALL Mankind and leave NO doubt or mankind will keep searching for other answers. It’s quite simple really.
I will concede to unkleE that Fine Tuning is a possibility. It’s difficult however to place this at the top of my list of explanations when the Fine Tuner has been so quiet otherwise.
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I haven’t taken the time to read through all the 77 comments, so please forgive me if this has been covered, but it doesn’t usually get covered, so mathematically speaking, I feel pretty safe. 😉
I like this post on Occam’s Razor, but it can even go one better. OK, so until fairly recently (historically speaking), it wasn’t considered “multiplying entities beyond necessity” to posit a Watchmaker God–a deist god, as you mentioned.
However, for Christianity (which you use as an example), you have to make this creator fit certain characteristics. That’s difficult enough, but that could explain all the Good stuff in the world, all the wise balance of nature, all the beauty, etc, but to posit such a god requires an anti-god, or Satan, to explain all the rest–
Why is the climate so messed up that the Lungfish has to exist (atrophied gills, lungs, and can bury itself in mud for YEARS to live through droughts)? Clearly an all-wise/powerful/etc god wouldn’t create a lungfish when there was no need, so did he create the environment? Why create drought-prone areas to begin with? Or if Satan screwed with the environment, why not fix it? Or if His purpose was to create something that could survive the Satanic environment (just to prove to humanity that “God’s Purpose Shall Stand”), why make the lungfish with imperfect gills AND lungs? And why make the Australian version with only One lung while retaining functional gills (though gills that are not sufficient in themselves, thus the need for a lung)?
Why the predator-prey relationship when the bible talks about a future where “the lion shall lie with the lamb and eat grass as the ox”? I’ve heard in my own church growing up that “God allowed Satan to do certain things and, well, predator-prey, or the Black Widow spider are clearly signs of what Satan perverted!” Really? So, then, was it god or satan that then made antelope run fast enough to escape all the predatory cats? Did god do it to help the poor antelope, or did satan do it to torture his newly carnivorous creations? Certainly they weren’t that fast to begin with, for what was there to run from?
We can “multiply entities beyond necessity” to explain the world around us (first an unnecessarily specific view of a possible First Cause, which then necessitates an antithesis to explain everything that doesn’t match our contrived notions of what said specific creator would do), or we can remove all that…the world and universe looks exactly like one might expect it to look if there were no Perfect Creator to create the good and no Satan to create the bad (or pervert the good…whatever).
Occam’s Razor FTW.
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Oh, and sorry for the double-post, but just read unkleE’s fine-tuning comment…perhaps fine-tuning is an argument for a First Cause god, but that still doesn’t get us anywhere near any of the god descriptions amongst the monotheisms.
But, again, which is more difficult? It is difficult to think that Something came from Nothing, which is, I think, why there is the idea of the multi-verse…but that’s getting way over my head. However, what is the alternative? That there is a deity that exists outside space-and-time and can create all the matter of the universe…Out Of Nothing. So, either way, we come back to “the universe from nothing”, except with the fine-tuning argument you then ALSO have to posit a deity smart and powerful enough (read: complicated enough) to create it all, create physics, and fine-tune everything…Out Of Nothing (as in, this very complicated creator comes out of nothing in order to create the universe out of nothing).
So, while there are many faith-claims that fall outside the reach of the Razor, ones that claim to be nothing but faith and are thus unfalsifiable and untestable, any faith-claim that starts pointing to the world around us as evidence of that faith-claim comes within the reach of the Razor.
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