825 thoughts on “Open Conversation Part 2”

  1. Verse of the day..

    1 Corinthians 2:14

    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

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  2. I actually thought it did look like a moth. Looked at any ink blots lately?

    As to the question of sin? I’m keenly aware that I am flawed. I strive to be better, but remain flawed nonetheless. I was born that way. Why should I believe that the punishment for being born in a way that is imperfect merits eternal torment? I do not mean to sound like an ingrate. However I did not ask to be born. Had I not been I wouldn’t be any the wiser. It’s not a favor to me to ne here.

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  3. Ruth, Dave & Kathy

    Having installed hundreds of security cameras over the years, the first thing that came to my mind was a symptom called “bleed over”. This can occur when 2 wires are crossed or the video combiner / switcher malfunctions causing 1 or more signals to bleed over on another signal.

    Looking at the video again, there were 13 separate cameras he was monitoring on 1 screen alone. Had they bothered to have a security company come and look at the “ghost” on 1 camera, they would have viewed recordings of the other 12 at the exact time this occurred to determine if anyone was walking in much the same pattern as the “ghost” on any of the other 12 cameras..

    The news report never mentions the Police Dept having a Security Firm analyze the video. I have seen this phenomenon more than once . It’s not all that unusual.

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  4. Actually, the universe does point out your sins, as morals come from what is perceived to be beneficial for community and survival. It’s an imprecise system that can sway in different directions, but if you are willing to look, that is what you are likely to find.

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  5. “gliese2475

    Kathy,

    What do you hope to achieve with your statement that there is no empirical evidence for evolution? Statements like that are why I made it a point to learn more about evolution. I wanted to understand it for myself, and to be able to respond coherently. Alas, I have found that my understanding only helps me to be solidly unswayed when presented with comments such as the one you made. ”

    I don’t know what you mean by what I hope to achieve.. it should be pretty obvious by now that I want to debate the points.
    And you misunderstood my point here.. I didn’t say that evolution has no evidence, I said MACRO evolution has no EMPIRICAL evidence/ proof.

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  6. Ruth,

    “I actually thought it did look like a moth. Looked at any ink blots lately? ”

    If you look closely, which is another way of saying.. “objectively”.. you’ll see that the figure
    goes behind an object at the end and then reappears after passing the object.

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  7. Ruth, why do you feel you’re flawed? What are you measuring yourself against?

    And speaking of sin, where does the concept of sin come from?

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  8. Here is what wiki refers to crosstalk / bleed over. Notice what it produces. (ghosting effect)

    In stereoscopic 3D displays, “crosstalk” refers to the incomplete isolation of the left and right image channels so that one leaks or bleeds into the other – like a double exposure, which produces a ghosting effect. (wiki)

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  9. “Actually, the universe does point out your sins, as morals come from what is perceived to be beneficial for community and survival. It’s an imprecise system that can sway in different directions, but if you are willing to look, that is what you are likely to find.”

    I would agree.. but it’s not nearly as specific and critical.. so it’s much easier to be humble.

    God is very specific.

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  10. “To better understand MACRO evolution, I would suggest looking into how fossils/bones were found that follow the raptor dinosaur evolving toward becoming a bird.”

    Similarities are not proof. All of creation has similarities to some degree. And it’s because we are made up of the same basic ingredients of life.

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  11. “I would agree.. but it’s not nearly as specific and critical.. so it’s much easier to be humble.

    God is very specific.”

    Yes he is. Stoning people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath . Stoning for adultery. Killing everyone in a village except the young virgins which you can keep for yourself.

    The specific list goes on……….

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  12. Ruth,

    “I’m keenly aware that I am flawed. I strive to be better, but remain flawed nonetheless. I was born that way. Why should I believe that the punishment for being born in a way that is imperfect merits eternal torment? I do not mean to sound like an ingrate. However I did not ask to be born. Had I not been I wouldn’t be any the wiser. It’s not a favor to me to ne here.”

    Well, you are sounding like an ingrate Ruth. I guess you never or very rarely have joy in your life? I don’t believe that. Life is not a “favor”.. it’s a gift… that very few truly want to return.

    And being born as a sinner doesn’t excuse your sin. You have free will to choose not to sin. You, all of us, make the choice to sin every day.

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  13. “Crosstalk from 2 or more cameras would also produce this effect but with different images being combined to one screen.”

    What makes you think a person who watches security cameras for a living isn’t aware of these things? Just like they’d have thought of an insect being the cause.

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  14. ““I would agree.. but it’s not nearly as specific and critical.. so it’s much easier to be humble.

    God is very specific.”

    Yes he is. Stoning people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath . Stoning for adultery. Killing everyone in a village except the young virgins which you can keep for yourself.

    The specific list goes on……….”

    Yes, and He was also very specific about sacrificing Himself to pay for our sins.

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  15. “Ruth, why do you feel you’re flawed? What are you measuring yourself against?

    And speaking of sin, where does the concept of sin come from?”

    Do you ever watch the news Nan? It’s pretty obvious that sin and evil exist.

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  16. “Kathy, I’m not talking similarities. There are actual transitional skeletons that have been found. That is why I suggested you should look into it to understand.”

    I know there are fossils that are similar. But where are the fossils that show macro evolution? Where a species evolved from another species?

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