also just to clarify, I don’t do drugs now despite what the music might suggest 🙂 I just like the music.”
Ryan, just for the record, we all do “drugs”. Drugs release dopamine. Studies show that male ejaculation parallels the rush of heroin and from the same parts of the brain. http://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/27/9185.abstract
Some people do Jesus — and get huge hits of dopamine. Studies show that dopaminergic activation is the leading neurochemical feature associated with religious activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16439158
Some eat lots of fatty or sugary foods and get into thrill seeking (novelty). Some do all of the above and are “dope” junkies. 😀
Jimmy Rogers or Jimmie Rodgers? And why him? Good lord, man, you need to find yourself a better tattoo artist. One who won’t let you ink yourself while your high. 😉
I agree with you that there are natural chemicals that our body produces….and dopamine is one of those.
My understanding and limited experience is that certain drugs distract and distort our understanding of reality, this kind of prevents me from seeking what’s true, hence why I try to steer clear of them…
Not all drugs are equal though….and it really depends on the concentration. Anything chemical concentrated enough becomes poison
“Not all drugs are equal though….and it really depends on the concentration. Anything chemical concentrated enough becomes poison”
Exactly right, Ryan. These hard drugs release dopamine, lots of it. That’s what people are feeling, not the actual chemical but the release of their own bio-chemical. And too much dopamine can do the same thing you mentioned. Here’s what the studies show — and it’s no different than what can happen to a hard-drug addict’s behavior:
“Too much dopamine can disrupt normal cognition and emotion, leading to gross errors of judgment and imperviousness to risk, not to mention huge egocentricity and lack of empathy for others.” Dr. Ian Robertson
People who have certain common neurological disorder, and become hyper-religious are given medication to curtail dopamine.
From the article: Whereas Christian NFL players such as Tebow, Robert Griffin III, and Russell Wilson can openly perform their religion in ways that elicit praise, athletes like the Abdullah brothers must constantly explain and re-articulate their faith to others, and sometimes even fight for their right to express it during games.
IOW, it’s OK if it’s Christian, but bad, bad, bad if it’s some other religion.
Example: Haloperidol functions as an inverse agonist of dopamine. It is classified as a typical antipsychotic. It’s used in the treatment of schizophrenia, acute psychosis, mania and delirium.
Hahahaha! As if that’s a bad thing. Yes, I am biased toward a rational explanation rather than the irrational ghost one.
You didn’t answer my question. Did you read the Discovery article? Did you watch the video?
Ruth
September 29, 2014 at 1:17 pm
And I’m serious. That really did make me laugh. I’m still laughing.”
I’m glad you’re “still laughing” Ruth, but it only shows your lack of understanding of my comment (and quotation marks). And since it’s about objectivity, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
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also just to clarify, I don’t do drugs now despite what the music might suggest 🙂 I just like the music.”
Ryan, just for the record, we all do “drugs”. Drugs release dopamine. Studies show that male ejaculation parallels the rush of heroin and from the same parts of the brain. http://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/27/9185.abstract
Some people do Jesus — and get huge hits of dopamine. Studies show that dopaminergic activation is the leading neurochemical feature associated with religious activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16439158
Some eat lots of fatty or sugary foods and get into thrill seeking (novelty). Some do all of the above and are “dope” junkies. 😀
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Hey arch, apparently if you just post the link to an image, WP pulls it in for you. That’s all these guys were doing…
Just like posting a video
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Ruth,
yeah 🙂
I’m the same, I don’t take panadol ever, thankfully haven’t needed to.
I also steer clear of alcohol and pot now. But that’s just me 🙂
I do caffeine.
Sometimes I’ll black out from a night of espressos, and wake up in the middle of the city,
with no shoes…and a tattoo of Jimmy Rogers
go figure.
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Ryan,
Jimmy Rogers or Jimmie Rodgers? And why him? Good lord, man, you need to find yourself a better tattoo artist. One who won’t let you ink yourself while your high. 😉
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I think there is a difference Victoria.
I agree with you that there are natural chemicals that our body produces….and dopamine is one of those.
My understanding and limited experience is that certain drugs distract and distort our understanding of reality, this kind of prevents me from seeking what’s true, hence why I try to steer clear of them…
Not all drugs are equal though….and it really depends on the concentration. Anything chemical concentrated enough becomes poison
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LOL Ruth.
I love Aussie humor.
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“Not all drugs are equal though….and it really depends on the concentration. Anything chemical concentrated enough becomes poison”
Exactly right, Ryan. These hard drugs release dopamine, lots of it. That’s what people are feeling, not the actual chemical but the release of their own bio-chemical. And too much dopamine can do the same thing you mentioned. Here’s what the studies show — and it’s no different than what can happen to a hard-drug addict’s behavior:
“Too much dopamine can disrupt normal cognition and emotion, leading to gross errors of judgment and imperviousness to risk, not to mention huge egocentricity and lack of empathy for others.” Dr. Ian Robertson
People who have certain common neurological disorder, and become hyper-religious are given medication to curtail dopamine.
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Jimmie* Rodgers
sorry Ruth, Caffeine does that to you,
starts off as that cheeky cup out on the town…then pretty soon your downing lattes before 12….
then come the affogato’s….next thing you know..
your living in a cardboard box, with no legs…broken by little Ronnie and his gang of starbucks thugs.
sometimes you think of going down to decaf and cleaning yourself up….
cans of instant littered across the pavement. your only remaining possession….1 busted up carton of full cream milk….
BTW we don’t really get starbucks here, when I was in the states I found its coffee terrible
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Did anyone see this? http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014/09/30/3573748/husain-abdullah-muslim-prayer-nfl/
From the article: Whereas Christian NFL players such as Tebow, Robert Griffin III, and Russell Wilson can openly perform their religion in ways that elicit praise, athletes like the Abdullah brothers must constantly explain and re-articulate their faith to others, and sometimes even fight for their right to express it during games.
IOW, it’s OK if it’s Christian, but bad, bad, bad if it’s some other religion.
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Example: Haloperidol functions as an inverse agonist of dopamine. It is classified as a typical antipsychotic. It’s used in the treatment of schizophrenia, acute psychosis, mania and delirium.
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Victoria tells me this will work – I have my doubts —
http://api.ning.com/files/aDnEqQYbuL8qyGQpCeV8cRMhOr1jIJtM4XVechWjpAIz3KyF3G3QPyNY57zS1T35CiPsaL3QRiLrNFBmJHfNzqb*KMrjxNY7/DblFP.jpg“
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I agree with you Victoria,
But the existence of disorders doesn’t mean there is no God, at least I don’t see it that way.
I really must go to bed,
thanks for the conversations, keep safe 🙂
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Arch —
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And those doubts, it would seem, were justified.
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thanks for the conversations, keep safe 🙂
that’s a general thanks to everyone in America land and beyond
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Ryan,
then come the affogato’s….next thing you know..
your living in a cardboard box, with no legs…broken by little Ronnie and his gang of starbucks thugs.
sometimes you think of going down to decaf and cleaning yourself up….
cans of instant littered across the pavement. your only remaining possession….1 busted up carton of full cream milk….
Jesus H. Christ, Ryan:
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/233065216/hDDD5364C/
Btw, I’m not a big Starbucks fan, either. Way overpriced and entirely overrated, IMHO.
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You accidentally posted an ” at the end of your link. I used the same link you posted without the “
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Arch
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Ok,
I’m officially way too tired for this..I found that hilarious
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Enjoyed the convo, too, Ryan. LOL at the LOL video. 😀
Night.
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Nite, Ryan. Take care.
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SmartAss! That’s MR. “Achie poo” to you –!
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Ruth,
“You clearly favor a “rational” explanation.
Hahahaha! As if that’s a bad thing. Yes, I am biased toward a rational explanation rather than the irrational ghost one.
You didn’t answer my question. Did you read the Discovery article? Did you watch the video?
Ruth
September 29, 2014 at 1:17 pm
And I’m serious. That really did make me laugh. I’m still laughing.”
I’m glad you’re “still laughing” Ruth, but it only shows your lack of understanding of my comment (and quotation marks). And since it’s about objectivity, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
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