“You are getting even more confused in trying to defend your failed beliefs Ruth.. first, all we have to work with is circumstantial evidence for our origins. And that evidence is FOR determining which it is.. there is no ‘presupposition’ of God.. that’s what the evidence is for.. to make that determination.”
Could someone please translate that into English for me? ANYone –?
“Portal, I would feel like it was all worth it if just one person here could learn to be objective and honest” – And I’m sure we’re all hoping that that one will be you, but I’m not giving that good odds.
I’ve shown Ruth much more respect than she’s shown me.
Although I have to disagree with you there, I don’t think you’ve necessarily shown Ruth more respect.
Ruth comes across to me as a decent and blogger that expresses a fair amount of empathy.
Although admittedly I haven’t read all of your exchanges between the two of you, Ruth has asked you questions that have been respectful, at least the ones I have come across and read.
“By being dishonest? Of course you would think that.. you’re a liberal.
there you go Kathy….with a mindset like that how can there be a constructive conversation? ”
I guess you didn’t notice his “mindset”.. you apologized for singling me out earlier and then
you did it again.
You asked what objectivity looks like.. I know honesty is required.. but I can give you actual examples of what it DOESN’T look like.. just read Ruth’s exchanges with me today and also note yours.
I’m really not here to defend myself.. I’m interested in presenting truth. That’s what this blog is SUPPOSED to be about.. but whenever the truth is revealed, people here get mean. That’s always when it starts.. when the truth comes out. It’s not about finding the truth with liberals.
“Arch, stop taking shots at Kathy, she’s right. its a two way street.”
Portal, I’ll stop taking shots at Kathy when she stops giving me grounds for doing so. Go back to Kathy 1 and read the thousands of comments leading up to this point, comments that I’ve lived with, comment by comment – concentrate especially on the thousand or more that Kathy has personally posted, then point out the ones that deserve better treatment than she has gotten.
Her behavior – the same behavior you’re seeing here – has gotten her banned from every site she’s ever ranted on but this one – why do you think she’s back here after an absence? She has nowhere else that will tolerate her.
Treat her as you feel she deserves, and I’ll do the same.
Finding Truth 
“When you don’t have proof, you have to apply reason.” – when did you think you might begin doing that?
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Exactly which religions have you studied, and what books on each have you read?
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“You are getting even more confused in trying to defend your failed beliefs Ruth.. first, all we have to work with is circumstantial evidence for our origins. And that evidence is FOR determining which it is.. there is no ‘presupposition’ of God.. that’s what the evidence is for.. to make that determination.”
Could someone please translate that into English for me? ANYone –?
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“Neuro … you’re pretty good at coming up with those relevant images!” – she’s pretty good at coming up with anything you could possibly ask for!
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“Where did I claim that I believe in God because of existence?” – you have REPEATEDLY said that existence is proof of god!
“I know enough about those other religions.” – again, tell us which of those religions you’ve studied in depth and what books on them you’ve read.
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“It is so ineffective for actually converting anybody to Christianity.” – In Kathy’s defense, she’s never actually claimed she’s any GOOD at it —
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“Portal, I would feel like it was all worth it if just one person here could learn to be objective and honest” – And I’m sure we’re all hoping that that one will be you, but I’m not giving that good odds.
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“I’ve shown Ruth much more respect than she’s shown me.” – That’s because she’s earned so much more respect than you have.
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Arch, just checking in before my day’s end — looks like you’re having a conversation with yourself!
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““I’ve shown Ruth much more respect than she’s shown me.” – That’s because she’s earned so much more respect than you have.”
By being dishonest? Of course you would think that.. you’re a liberal.
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Portal, I would feel like it was all worth it if just one person here could learn to be objective and honest.
Do you think objectivity is important?
I do think its important,
as far as any of us can be completely objective. What would that even look like?
Also, Portal.. to be respectful, honesty is required.. it’s a two way street, you know. I’ve shown Ruth much more respect than she’s shown me.
I agree Kathy, it is a two way street, I apologise for singling you out.
have a good night
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I’ve shown Ruth much more respect than she’s shown me.
Although I have to disagree with you there, I don’t think you’ve necessarily shown Ruth more respect.
Ruth comes across to me as a decent and blogger that expresses a fair amount of empathy.
Although admittedly I haven’t read all of your exchanges between the two of you, Ruth has asked you questions that have been respectful, at least the ones I have come across and read.
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By being dishonest? Of course you would think that.. you’re a liberal.
there you go Kathy….with a mindset like that how can there be a constructive conversation?
stop with the labels, they don’t help us understand what you mean. It doesn’t achieve anything but polarise yourself.
It’s like if I said to you – Of course you would think that! you an American!
see how that would be detracting from forming a better understanding people, and who they actually are?
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apologies for the typos, hope that all makes sense
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“By being dishonest? Of course you would think that.. you’re a liberal.
there you go Kathy….with a mindset like that how can there be a constructive conversation? ”
I guess you didn’t notice his “mindset”.. you apologized for singling me out earlier and then
you did it again.
You asked what objectivity looks like.. I know honesty is required.. but I can give you actual examples of what it DOESN’T look like.. just read Ruth’s exchanges with me today and also note yours.
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Better that than a conversation with Kathy.
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Kathy,
one more question. And I’ll take more care in typing 🙂
Since you are an American, should I assume you fit into one of these neat little boxes,
http://www.nationalstereotype.com/american-stereotypes/
If so which one. Please let me know, so I can then dismiss what you write if I don’t agree, solely on the grounds that your “in the “murica” box”
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I’m really not here to defend myself.. I’m interested in presenting truth. That’s what this blog is SUPPOSED to be about.. but whenever the truth is revealed, people here get mean. That’s always when it starts.. when the truth comes out. It’s not about finding the truth with liberals.
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“em>By being dishonest?” – I’ve never known Ruth to be dishonest – intolerant of nonsense, yes, but never dishonest.
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If so which one. Please let me know, so I can then dismiss what you write if I don’t agree, solely on the grounds that your “in the “murica” box”
Kathy,
that was my attempt at sarcasm btw, I wouldn’t really want to dismiss what you write based on a stereotype of what an american is….:)
Like I wouldn’t want to dismiss what someone else says solely based on a stereotype of what an Liberal is…
what you and they write should stand on its own, and be assessed itself for its validity,
despite who’s writing it.
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“I’m interested in presenting truth.” – when did you plan to begin doing that?
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I’m interested in presenting truth.
Go for it Kathy, but please don’t back it up by calling others liberals or dishonest…saying those things doesn’t back up anything.
If you feel its important, please explain what you mean, and then people will understand without being polarised as liberals.
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“I’m interested in presenting truth.” – when did you plan to begin doing that?
Arch, stop taking shots at Kathy, she’s right. its a two way street.
Why should she quit with the stereotypes if you won’t take her seriously?
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“Arch, stop taking shots at Kathy, she’s right. its a two way street.”
Portal, I’ll stop taking shots at Kathy when she stops giving me grounds for doing so. Go back to Kathy 1 and read the thousands of comments leading up to this point, comments that I’ve lived with, comment by comment – concentrate especially on the thousand or more that Kathy has personally posted, then point out the ones that deserve better treatment than she has gotten.
Her behavior – the same behavior you’re seeing here – has gotten her banned from every site she’s ever ranted on but this one – why do you think she’s back here after an absence? She has nowhere else that will tolerate her.
Treat her as you feel she deserves, and I’ll do the same.
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Treat her as you feel she deserves, and I’ll do the same.
Arch,
I feel like that’s a very polite way of saying, mind your own business Portal! 😛 But I wanted to speak my mind 🙂
Kathy,
instead of me asking what does it take to be a liberal, I’ll switch it around
What doesn’t it take to be a liberal? then at least we have a definition to work off to determine who your referring to when you say liberal.
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