Me either – at some point one either lets go of the past or lets it control you,…
There’s probably very few, if any, people here who have Norman Rockwell pasts. The thing about it is, and it’s the very thing we’re being accused of not doing, one has to take some personal responsibility. Perhaps there are things that have happened in our pasts that we couldn’t control, but we get to control our present, and we can either wallow in the past and not learn a damn thing or we can grow.
everyone with the exception of me, starts out being nice and civil with Kathy. eventually they come to the conclusion of what she is really up to. i think that is what irks me so much, how she denigrates smart, friendly, sincerely nice people. which clearly you are all, even you arch.
About that banner, arch…there’s just something off about it. It looks like God and his merry band of misfits are pointing and laughing. Maybe that’s why the man is flipping him off?
Paul, I’d like to share a paper, (a hypothesis) with you by a behavioral neuroscientist. He’s heterosexual. It was written 15 years ago when they first started doing fMRI imaging on gay brains.
I’ve read a number of studies showing that the brains of gay men are nearly the same as the brains of women, and lesbians tend to have the brains of men. What you said about gay men making a significant contribution to humanity is certainly true when you look through the lens of evolutionary biology. The paper is written in a very positive light. Some 15 years later, a number of studies are emerging that give credence to his hypothesis. I would be interested in your feedback.
I hope the day comes soon when people who’ve experienced untold suffering (especially by the religious) will finally be vindicated.
“What reason is there for you to believe that I lack objectivity and honest?”
Ruth, I challenge you to find one time where I’ve made that accusation about you that was not accompanied by my reasons.. using your own words and actions.
You’ve just given a very good example of why no progress is made in these “debates”.
And please note.. when I made that accusation, it was accompanied by my reasons, using your own words and actions.. (future actions in this case.. because you won’t find one example of where my reasons were not included for making the accusation.)
“Moreover, why do you feel as though I’ve disrespected you when you have repeatedly denigrated my ability to reason and apply objectivity? ”
Is “denigration” based on honesty and truth? If so, I guess I’m guilty.. and anyone who is trying to make progress by pointing out real faults is guilty of it.
And I feel disrespected by you whenever you chose to be dishonest in our debate. It’s very insulting. That’s one of the worst forms of disrespect. And probably why I have such a negative attitude towards liberals.. there is a fundamental element of dishonesty that has to be present in order to hold liberal views.
“I’ll have to catch that David Deamer lecture later, but I did finally get around to listening to this. I thought is was a very concise explanation of what we do know and what we don’t.”
Ruth, thanks for watching the short video. I think you’re going to enjoy Deamer’s lecture. He is eloquent in speech, a superb presenter and explains in layman’s terms.
Ruth, I challenge you to find one time where I’ve made that accusation about you that was not accompanied by my reasons.. using your own words and actions.
Making an accusation and repeating a person’s words back to them doesn’t prove the accusation is true. In every exchange we’ve had I’ve done the same thing. I’ve quoted you and pointed out where I disagree. That doesn’t mean you’re dishonest. These are your opinions and assessments. Just as my opinions and assessments of the evidence don’t make me dishonest.
And I feel disrespected by you whenever you chose to be dishonest in our debate. It’s very insulting. That’s one of the worst forms of disrespect.
I’ve given you my honest opinions and I’ve given evidence which I think supports my opinion. If it is insulting to you that I disagree with your conclusions about the evidence then there’s really nothing I can do about that.
And probably why I have such a negative attitude towards liberals.. there is a fundamental element of dishonesty that has to be present in order to hold liberal views.
If it is your opinion that anyone who isn’t a conservative evangelical is fundamentally dishonest I don’t think you will have any productive dialogue with anyone who doesn’t hold the same beliefs as you.
You seem to have determined that if anyone comes to different conclusions than you regarding evidence and what it points toward they are the ones who are fundamentally flawed and that you could not possibly be wrong. Am I misrepresenting you opinion of this?
” Is it only respectful when it’s a Christian questioning the integrity of atheists? ”
A few times, people here have made accusations about me where they did actually use my own words.. I WELCOME that. Include the proof.. if I’m wrong about something I want to know.. and correct it.
“And why is it you can question the education, claims or evidence of everyone else here but when the same measuring stick is applied to you it’s jugemental? ”
See above… just back up your accusations.. as I have. If you can’t then it’s not constructive.. it’s nothing but ad hominem.. and dishonest.
“Am I not allowed based on your claims, evidence, and education to judge whether or not you have reliable information?”
Yes, you are “allowed”.. you failed to back up your claim. I didn’t. As I stated, I know enough of those other religions to decide they lack the evidence. I laid out a challenge for you.. you are the one who failed to follow through.. and then you make a judgment about what I’m doing wrong.. without any supportive evidence.
And just like Nate, you cannot be honest and acknowledge that Christianity has the most compelling evidence to back up it’s claimed Truth.
Just like you cannot acknowledge that the temples discovered with dining rooms is evidence that supports the truth of Paul.. as a real person and is also evidence that supports the Truth of the Bible.
“Making an accusation and repeating a person’s words back to them doesn’t prove the accusation is true. In every exchange we’ve had I’ve done the same thing. I’ve quoted you and pointed out where I disagree. ”
Examples Ruth.. post some examples.. I’ll gladly explain again how it shows you lack objectivity and honesty. I use your own words and actions along with explanations.
You seem to have determined that if anyone comes to different conclusions than you regarding evidence and what it points toward they are the ones who are fundamentally flawed and that you could not possibly be wrong.
Read the above very carefully, Kathy. It very well sums up your actions on this blog.
As I stated, I know enough of those other religions to decide they lack the evidence. I laid out a challenge for you.. you are the one who failed to follow through.. and then you make a judgment about what I’m doing wrong.. without any supportive evidence.
What material have you studied with regards to those other religions? How did you come to the determination that they lack evidence?
Why do you want to constantly rehash the same points over and over? Every one of us here has used your very words to ask questions of you, to point out different conclusions that might be reached, and to challenge you. You never, and I mean never, take up a challenge that is issued to you. You conveniently begged out of Dave’s challenge to you simply calling his arguments weak. William asked you the same questions about he evidence you gave, which I might add, requires supporting evidence and you never answered his questions.
You stated yesterday that you were here to give truth. You don’t think we have anything to offer that you could learn from?
Finding Truth 
arch – “but what the hell do I care what you do with your noodle?”
Indeed, arch has regaled us with tales about his hose. . . razz. .
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No, Ruth – gotta finish my lawn before cold weather sets in. Nearly half-done.
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Me either – at some point one either lets go of the past or lets it control you,…
There’s probably very few, if any, people here who have Norman Rockwell pasts. The thing about it is, and it’s the very thing we’re being accused of not doing, one has to take some personal responsibility. Perhaps there are things that have happened in our pasts that we couldn’t control, but we get to control our present, and we can either wallow in the past and not learn a damn thing or we can grow.
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That must be one ginormous lawn, arch! 😀
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everyone with the exception of me, starts out being nice and civil with Kathy. eventually they come to the conclusion of what she is really up to. i think that is what irks me so much, how she denigrates smart, friendly, sincerely nice people. which clearly you are all, even you arch.
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“Indeed, arch has regaled us with tales about his hose. . . razz. .” – Kathy’s god’ll get you for that, Carmen!
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About that banner, arch…there’s just something off about it. It looks like God and his merry band of misfits are pointing and laughing. Maybe that’s why the man is flipping him off?
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“That must be one ginormous lawn, arch! 😀” – yeah, well, YOU try cutting an acre of lawn with a pair of fingernail clippers!
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yeah, well, YOU try cutting an acre of lawn with a pair of fingernail clippers!
Oi! Surely you could spring for a pair of pinking sheers!
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“even you arch” – you’re accusing me of being “sincerely nice“? You really know how to hurt a guy – what did I ever do to you?!
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Arch, I was just about to say the same thing. 😀
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I’d like to know who that hot little 14-year old is, that the big guy’s got his arm around – suppose that’s Mary?
I can’t criticize, I’ve had sex with a 14-year old. But then I was 12 at the time —
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I think the name of Nate’s blog is “Finding Truth” not telling truths … lol
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Jaysus, arch – and I thought Paul was outrageous! . . headshake, headshake. . .
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“Oi! Surely you could spring for a pair of pinking sheers!” – I KNEW there had to be an easier way! Nobody ever ‘splained it to me that way before —
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“Arch, I was just about to say the same thing. 😀” – I’ll use your own favorite phrase: “Why am I not surprised?“
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Paul, I’d like to share a paper, (a hypothesis) with you by a behavioral neuroscientist. He’s heterosexual. It was written 15 years ago when they first started doing fMRI imaging on gay brains.
I’ve read a number of studies showing that the brains of gay men are nearly the same as the brains of women, and lesbians tend to have the brains of men. What you said about gay men making a significant contribution to humanity is certainly true when you look through the lens of evolutionary biology. The paper is written in a very positive light. Some 15 years later, a number of studies are emerging that give credence to his hypothesis. I would be interested in your feedback.
I hope the day comes soon when people who’ve experienced untold suffering (especially by the religious) will finally be vindicated.
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Ruth,
“What reason is there for you to believe that I lack objectivity and honest?”
Ruth, I challenge you to find one time where I’ve made that accusation about you that was not accompanied by my reasons.. using your own words and actions.
You’ve just given a very good example of why no progress is made in these “debates”.
And please note.. when I made that accusation, it was accompanied by my reasons, using your own words and actions.. (future actions in this case.. because you won’t find one example of where my reasons were not included for making the accusation.)
“Moreover, why do you feel as though I’ve disrespected you when you have repeatedly denigrated my ability to reason and apply objectivity? ”
Is “denigration” based on honesty and truth? If so, I guess I’m guilty.. and anyone who is trying to make progress by pointing out real faults is guilty of it.
And I feel disrespected by you whenever you chose to be dishonest in our debate. It’s very insulting. That’s one of the worst forms of disrespect. And probably why I have such a negative attitude towards liberals.. there is a fundamental element of dishonesty that has to be present in order to hold liberal views.
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“I’ll have to catch that David Deamer lecture later, but I did finally get around to listening to this. I thought is was a very concise explanation of what we do know and what we don’t.”
Ruth, thanks for watching the short video. I think you’re going to enjoy Deamer’s lecture. He is eloquent in speech, a superb presenter and explains in layman’s terms.
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Ruth, I challenge you to find one time where I’ve made that accusation about you that was not accompanied by my reasons.. using your own words and actions.
Making an accusation and repeating a person’s words back to them doesn’t prove the accusation is true. In every exchange we’ve had I’ve done the same thing. I’ve quoted you and pointed out where I disagree. That doesn’t mean you’re dishonest. These are your opinions and assessments. Just as my opinions and assessments of the evidence don’t make me dishonest.
And I feel disrespected by you whenever you chose to be dishonest in our debate. It’s very insulting. That’s one of the worst forms of disrespect.
I’ve given you my honest opinions and I’ve given evidence which I think supports my opinion. If it is insulting to you that I disagree with your conclusions about the evidence then there’s really nothing I can do about that.
And probably why I have such a negative attitude towards liberals.. there is a fundamental element of dishonesty that has to be present in order to hold liberal views.
If it is your opinion that anyone who isn’t a conservative evangelical is fundamentally dishonest I don’t think you will have any productive dialogue with anyone who doesn’t hold the same beliefs as you.
You seem to have determined that if anyone comes to different conclusions than you regarding evidence and what it points toward they are the ones who are fundamentally flawed and that you could not possibly be wrong. Am I misrepresenting you opinion of this?
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Ruth, cont..
” Is it only respectful when it’s a Christian questioning the integrity of atheists? ”
A few times, people here have made accusations about me where they did actually use my own words.. I WELCOME that. Include the proof.. if I’m wrong about something I want to know.. and correct it.
“And why is it you can question the education, claims or evidence of everyone else here but when the same measuring stick is applied to you it’s jugemental? ”
See above… just back up your accusations.. as I have. If you can’t then it’s not constructive.. it’s nothing but ad hominem.. and dishonest.
“Am I not allowed based on your claims, evidence, and education to judge whether or not you have reliable information?”
Yes, you are “allowed”.. you failed to back up your claim. I didn’t. As I stated, I know enough of those other religions to decide they lack the evidence. I laid out a challenge for you.. you are the one who failed to follow through.. and then you make a judgment about what I’m doing wrong.. without any supportive evidence.
And just like Nate, you cannot be honest and acknowledge that Christianity has the most compelling evidence to back up it’s claimed Truth.
Just like you cannot acknowledge that the temples discovered with dining rooms is evidence that supports the truth of Paul.. as a real person and is also evidence that supports the Truth of the Bible.
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“Making an accusation and repeating a person’s words back to them doesn’t prove the accusation is true. In every exchange we’ve had I’ve done the same thing. I’ve quoted you and pointed out where I disagree. ”
Examples Ruth.. post some examples.. I’ll gladly explain again how it shows you lack objectivity and honesty. I use your own words and actions along with explanations.
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I think this needs repeating:
You seem to have determined that if anyone comes to different conclusions than you regarding evidence and what it points toward they are the ones who are fundamentally flawed and that you could not possibly be wrong.
Read the above very carefully, Kathy. It very well sums up your actions on this blog.
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As I stated, I know enough of those other religions to decide they lack the evidence. I laid out a challenge for you.. you are the one who failed to follow through.. and then you make a judgment about what I’m doing wrong.. without any supportive evidence.
What material have you studied with regards to those other religions? How did you come to the determination that they lack evidence?
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Kathy,
Why do you want to constantly rehash the same points over and over? Every one of us here has used your very words to ask questions of you, to point out different conclusions that might be reached, and to challenge you. You never, and I mean never, take up a challenge that is issued to you. You conveniently begged out of Dave’s challenge to you simply calling his arguments weak. William asked you the same questions about he evidence you gave, which I might add, requires supporting evidence and you never answered his questions.
You stated yesterday that you were here to give truth. You don’t think we have anything to offer that you could learn from?
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