Plus I have a date this evening that I need to begin getting ready for – my 9-year old granddaughter has invited me to escort her to her school’s Father-Daughter Banquet this evening, and I never disappoint a lady.
“My wife is having to restrain me and is getting out my straight-jacket.” – I’ve had remarkable success with chewing through the straps – just sayin’ —
This is the first time, Ark, that I’ve watched this Finklestein video, but note that he comes up with the same Ammurite conclusions as I’ve voiced many times, as to the origin of the Hebrews and their god, Amurru (“El Shaddai”), who became “Yahweh” early in Exodus, after Moses married the daughter of Jethro, High priest of the obscure desert god, YHWH’s cult.
Ark has asked you to detail the evidences of this contrasting archaeological/historical view of the early Jews which you believe in.
I’d be very interested to hear this as well.
Principally, can you list the archaeologists (and their institutions) who’s data you are drawing your assumptions on.
Could you name the major digs and what those findings were.
Could you then please cite what peer-reviewed papers you’ve read that supports this position, give me an outline of these papers major finding’s, and also please name the journals and publishing date so i can review them myself.
This would be a great help in understanding where you are coming from.
UnkleE: “I have answered questions until it became clear there was no point in going further. Are you guys going to answer this challenge with some real evidence, or are you going to laugh it off?”
Are you, UnkleE, going to provide your alleged “strong” evidence for the supernatural claim of the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth or are you going to continue to obfuscate? I for one do not intend to respond to even one of your “challenges” until you, to put it bluntly, put up or shut up.
Before someone jumps on me for being mean to UnkleE…he can continue to say whatever he wants, I’m not telling him to shut up, I just do not intend to engage him until he backs up his assertion of “strong” evidence for the Resurrection. I again believe that UnkleE is playing chess (a game). He is down to his king, a bishop, and a couple of pawns and is maneuvering furiously to prevent being check-mated.
There is no “strong” evidence for the Resurrection. Why doesn’t he just admit it and we can move on to other subjects. (Notice we HAD moved on to another subject until UnkleE jumped back in and stirred the pot with accusations that our side was not confronting his challenges and not answering his questions. Baloney.)
Thanks for sharing the Finkelstein video, Arch. It is very good. I read his book which goes into even more detail but the video is a good summary to share with people who still think that Moses was found floating in the bulrushes of the croc-infested Nile.
Interesting story, Peter, but I’ve still not heard an explanation from anyone, and I’ve asked several times, as to what Paul/Saul was doing on the road to Damascus in the first place. He was in the employ of the Sanhedrin, as a “witch-hunter,” so to speak, an informant sniffing out those pesky Christians, but the area around the road to Damascus was outside the jurisdiction of the Sanhedrin, what business would he have had there?
Peter’s reference story makes a heckava lot more sense to me than what the bible/Christians say about Paul’s experience. The sentence that stood out to me was: “If that first-century document had been anything other than part of the Bible, [it] would have been a straightforward story.”
time to put Christians in their place and give them the persecution that jeeezzzuuuusss promised them that they would have,
not their imagined cake decorating persecution they suffer today. 🙂
this morning when I woke up I turned on my tv and there was some televangelist talking about deconverted Christians. someone he knew that had formerly been a Christian had written a book trying to disprove things in the bible. the preacher went on to say, “why would anyone waste their time trying to disprove something that they don’t believe is real, don’t they have anything better to do? why can’t they do something positive with their lives.”
he then said, “Christians who once knew god and now are non-believers are the most miserable people in the world”
well at least he didn’t say that they should be killed.
or maybe he did, I didn’t watch the whole sermon.
As a brief epilogue, the Father-Daughter Banquet (and Ball) was a smashing success. We fast-danced, we slow-danced, and we did one dance where I stood in place and pivoted while my little red-haired pixie held my hands and ran around me in a circle – I have no idea what that was called, but since no one else was doing it, I guess that made us innovators. It should shortly be sweeping the nation.
oh Gary, I wasn’t saying that you support persecuting people, i think we all know that.
I’m 100% in agreement with you about debunking their myth and exposing their lies.
i, on the other hand, do believe in persecuting them, they do it to me all the time.
I am very happy to hear that Christian preachers are complaining about ex-Christian efforts to debunk their ancient superstition! It shows we are having an effect. Dear atheist and agnostic friends: Let’s redouble our efforts to put Yahweh into the same grave yard of debunked deities as Zeus, Ra, and Jupiter!
Finding Truth 
Plus I have a date this evening that I need to begin getting ready for – my 9-year old granddaughter has invited me to escort her to her school’s Father-Daughter Banquet this evening, and I never disappoint a lady.
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Besides, Gary M says pretty much what I would like to say, with the difference being that I don’t get blamed for it!
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“My wife is having to restrain me and is getting out my straight-jacket.” – I’ve had remarkable success with chewing through the straps – just sayin’ —
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This is the first time, Ark, that I’ve watched this Finklestein video, but note that he comes up with the same Ammurite conclusions as I’ve voiced many times, as to the origin of the Hebrews and their god, Amurru (“El Shaddai”), who became “Yahweh” early in Exodus, after Moses married the daughter of Jethro, High priest of the obscure desert god, YHWH’s cult.
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Unklee
Ark has asked you to detail the evidences of this contrasting archaeological/historical view of the early Jews which you believe in.
I’d be very interested to hear this as well.
Principally, can you list the archaeologists (and their institutions) who’s data you are drawing your assumptions on.
Could you name the major digs and what those findings were.
Could you then please cite what peer-reviewed papers you’ve read that supports this position, give me an outline of these papers major finding’s, and also please name the journals and publishing date so i can review them myself.
This would be a great help in understanding where you are coming from.
I look forward to your reply.
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UnkleE: “I have answered questions until it became clear there was no point in going further. Are you guys going to answer this challenge with some real evidence, or are you going to laugh it off?”
Are you, UnkleE, going to provide your alleged “strong” evidence for the supernatural claim of the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth or are you going to continue to obfuscate? I for one do not intend to respond to even one of your “challenges” until you, to put it bluntly, put up or shut up.
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Before someone jumps on me for being mean to UnkleE…he can continue to say whatever he wants, I’m not telling him to shut up, I just do not intend to engage him until he backs up his assertion of “strong” evidence for the Resurrection. I again believe that UnkleE is playing chess (a game). He is down to his king, a bishop, and a couple of pawns and is maneuvering furiously to prevent being check-mated.
There is no “strong” evidence for the Resurrection. Why doesn’t he just admit it and we can move on to other subjects. (Notice we HAD moved on to another subject until UnkleE jumped back in and stirred the pot with accusations that our side was not confronting his challenges and not answering his questions. Baloney.)
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Thanks for sharing the Finkelstein video, Arch. It is very good. I read his book which goes into even more detail but the video is a good summary to share with people who still think that Moses was found floating in the bulrushes of the croc-infested Nile.
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“If you want to read it, do a google search: My Deconversion Story in a Nutshell, Escaping Christian Fundamentalism”
Thanks for sharing this Gary.
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The only problem I had with it, was that Finklestein’s accent is so thick that it’s difficult to understand all that he says.
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I don’t think it is Finklestein that is thick. Or maybe you’re just deaf?
But he sure ain’t no Chris Hitchens,that’s for sure. 😉
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I see that the New Scientist are speculating that the Apostle Paul may have seen a falling meteor on the road to Damascus:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22630183.700-falling-meteor-may-have-changed-the-course-of-christianity.html?full=true
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Interesting story, Peter, but I’ve still not heard an explanation from anyone, and I’ve asked several times, as to what Paul/Saul was doing on the road to Damascus in the first place. He was in the employ of the Sanhedrin, as a “witch-hunter,” so to speak, an informant sniffing out those pesky Christians, but the area around the road to Damascus was outside the jurisdiction of the Sanhedrin, what business would he have had there?
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Peter’s reference story makes a heckava lot more sense to me than what the bible/Christians say about Paul’s experience. The sentence that stood out to me was: “If that first-century document had been anything other than part of the Bible, [it] would have been a straightforward story.”
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/atheist-mom-gets-death-threats-over-school-bible-complaints-but-christians-claim-theyre-the-victims/#.VUOgqGJK_CA.facebook
more Christian death threats.
time to put Christians in their place and give them the persecution that jeeezzzuuuusss promised them that they would have,
not their imagined cake decorating persecution they suffer today. 🙂
gary, I’m behind you 100% regarding unklee.
arch, you’re the coolest!!!!!!
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SPG: I don’t support persecuting people. I support exposing and debunking their myths.
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this morning when I woke up I turned on my tv and there was some televangelist talking about deconverted Christians. someone he knew that had formerly been a Christian had written a book trying to disprove things in the bible. the preacher went on to say,
“why would anyone waste their time trying to disprove something that they don’t believe is real, don’t they have anything better to do? why can’t they do something positive with their lives.”
he then said, “Christians who once knew god and now are non-believers are the most miserable people in the world”
well at least he didn’t say that they should be killed.
or maybe he did, I didn’t watch the whole sermon.
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As a brief epilogue, the Father-Daughter Banquet (and Ball) was a smashing success. We fast-danced, we slow-danced, and we did one dance where I stood in place and pivoted while my little red-haired pixie held my hands and ran around me in a circle – I have no idea what that was called, but since no one else was doing it, I guess that made us innovators. It should shortly be sweeping the nation.
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oh Gary, I wasn’t saying that you support persecuting people, i think we all know that.
I’m 100% in agreement with you about debunking their myth and exposing their lies.
i, on the other hand, do believe in persecuting them, they do it to me all the time.
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“arch, you’re the coolest!!!!!!” – Thank ya, thank ya verra much!
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I have Nero DNA
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SPG,
I am very happy to hear that Christian preachers are complaining about ex-Christian efforts to debunk their ancient superstition! It shows we are having an effect. Dear atheist and agnostic friends: Let’s redouble our efforts to put Yahweh into the same grave yard of debunked deities as Zeus, Ra, and Jupiter!
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