Dear Kathy,
Since you graciously agreed (in our recent conversation) to let me present you with some examples of the Bible’s problems, I decided to do it in this way so it would have its own comment thread. As I’ve said, when I was a Christian, one strike against the Bible was not enough to shake my faith — maybe it only seemed problematic, maybe there was an explanation we hadn’t uncovered yet, maybe the historical accounts were wrong, etc. But as the problems began to mount up, I reached a point where I could no longer deny the fact that the Bible had actual errors.
A couple of suggestions before we begin. Try to be as open-minded about this as possible. As you go through these examples, ask yourself if God would allow such problems to exist in a message that he wanted all people to accept and believe? According to the Bible, whenever God sent someone a message, whether it was Pharaoh or Gideon or Nebuchadnezzar or Paul, they had no question whom it was from. They didn’t always follow it, as we see with people like Pharaoh and Solomon, but they didn’t question the source of the message or what it stated. So why would God operate differently today? Why would he want us to be so confused about his message that we’re able to question whether or not it’s really from him?
Another thing to keep in mind is that even if you come to the conclusion that the Bible has actual problems, that doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. There are a number of Christians who don’t believe in inerrancy. And even if you lose faith in the Christian god, that still doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. A number of people, including several of our founding fathers, were deists. I have a lot of sympathy for that view and plan to do a post on it soon.
Some of the items listed here will have links that provide additional information, especially when the issue is too detailed to list here. I hope that you’ll check out those links, since some of them are quite significant points. And regardless of how this article strikes you, I hope it will help serve as a great springboard to launch you into your own research.
Some of the Problems
Creation
The creation accounts in Genesis do not match what we’ve learned through science. This isn’t shocking news, but it bears looking into. Evolution and the Big Bang Theory had nothing to do with my deconversion, but I’ve learned more about both since leaving Christianity. It’s shocking how much misinformation I had been operating under. Not to say that all Christians are that way — that was simply my experience. But the evidence for both evolution and the Big Bang are far more substantial than I had ever realized. Two good resources for learning more about these issues are the following (though I’d also recommend checking out the recent Cosmos series, as well as some of the PBS NOVA specials):
Another problem with the creation accounts is that Genesis 1 says that plants and trees were made on the 3rd day, while man was made on the 6th. But Genesis 2:5-9 says that man was created before there were any plants or trees in the land. Also, the 1st chapter says that man was created after all the animals, but the 2nd chapter implies that it was the other way around. It seems strange that such discrepancies would exist only a chapter apart, but there are a number of textual clues that suggest the first 5 books of the Bible were assembled over a long period of time from various writings written by a number of different people. Many scholars believe that Genesis 1 and 2 represent two separate versions of the creation story that were both included because the compilers didn’t know which was more accurate. Whatever the reason, there’s no question that the differences exist and are hard to explain.
10 Plagues
During the 10 plagues, God afflicts all of Egypt’s livestock with a disease (Ex 9:1-7), and it specifies that it would affect the “horses, the donkeys, the camels, the herds, and the flocks.” We’re told that all of Egypt’s livestock died. But the later plague of boils was said to affect both man and beast (verse 10 of chapter 9). Maybe it meant non-livestock animals. But Ex 11:5 says that the death of the firstborn would also affect Egypt’s cattle, and in Exodus 14, Pharaoh pursues the Israelites with horses.
Hares Chew the Cud
Leviticus 11:6 tells us that hares chew the cud. They do not. Animals that chew the cud are called ruminants. When they eat plant matter, it goes to their first stomach to soften, and then it’s regurgitated to their mouth. They spend time re-chewing it, and then it is swallowed and fully digested. Ruminants (cows, sheep, goats, etc.) are recognizable because their chewing of the cud is very obvious. Hares (rabbits) don’t chew the cud; however, their mouths do move frequently, so it’s possible to see why some people may have assumed that they do chew the cud. Of course, God would know they didn’t, and this is why the passage is problematic. You can read more about this here.
Arphaxad
In the genealogy given in Genesis 11:10-12, we see that Noah fathered Shem and Shem fathered Arphaxad. At the age of 35, Arphaxad fathered Shelah. This information is confirmed in 1 Chron 1:18. But Luke 3:35-36 tells us that Arphaxad’s son was Cainan, and he was the father of Shelah.
Where does Luke get this information? It disagrees with the Old Testament, so who should we believe? Some have suggested that Genesis and 1 Chronicles simply left out Cainan for some reason. But why would they do that? To further complicate it, how could Cainan have fit in there? Genesis tells us that Arphaxad was 35 when he fathered Shelah. Does it really seem likely that Arphaxad became a grandfather by 35, especially when you consider the extreme old ages that people lived to at that time?
Another explanation is that some copyist messed up when copying Luke and Cainan is just a mistake. But this is not much better. First of all, the error would have needed to occur early for it to be in all our copies of Luke. Secondly, are we really comfortable saying that we have the inspired word of our creator, but it got messed up by some guy who wasn’t paying close attention? To me, that doesn’t lend a lot of credence to the idea of inspiration or inerrancy.
Instead, the most likely explanation is that Luke made a mistake. This, of course, would indicate that he was not inspired.
Problems in the Book of Daniel
In Daniel 5, the writer refers to Belshazzar as the son of Nebuchadnezzar 7 different times. Yet we know from multiple contemporary sources that Belshazzar’s father was Nabonidus, who was not related to Nebuchadnezzar. The same chapter says that Darius the Mede took over Babylon, but this person does not seem to have ever existed. Daniel says that he was the son of Ahaseurus, and in mentioning this, the author of Daniel indicates that he was thinking of a later ruler — the persian emperor Darius the Great, whose son was Ahaseurus. This post in particular goes into the problems surrounding the 5th chapter, but if you’d like to learn about the problems in the rest of the book, you can access each article in the series here.
Jairus’s Daughter
In Mark 5:23, Jairus finds Jesus and says that his daughter is at the point of death. While they’re on their way to the house, some of his servants find them on the way and say that she has died and there’s no point in troubling Jesus further.
However, in Matthew 9:18, Jairus already knows that his daughter has died, but tells Jesus that if he’ll lay his hands on her, she’ll live. This may seem like a minor difference, but honestly, there’s only one scenario that could be true. Either the girl was already dead, or she wasn’t. And if Jairus already knew she was dead, then there was no point in his servants coming to tell him that (so of course, they don’t appear in Matthew’s account).
The Centurion
This is similar to the previous issue. Matthew and Luke both record a centurion who asks Jesus to heal his sick servant. Matthew 8:5-13 says that the centurion himself comes before Jesus to ask for help. Luke 7:1-10 says that the Jewish elders went on his behalf, and then he sent servants to follow up. In Luke, Jesus never speaks to, or even sees, the centurion at all.
Hight Priest
In Mark 2:23-28, Jesus talks about the occasion from the Old Testament when David ate the showbread, which Jesus said was in the days of Abiathar the high priest. However, in 1 Samuel 21:1-6, it appears that Ahimelech was the high priest. Some have tried to answer this problem by saying that Abiathar was alive during that particular episode, so Jesus’ statement is still true. But that’s obviously not the intent of the passage. After all, we would correct anyone who said that the tragedy of 9/11 occurred during the days of President Barack Obama. He may have been alive at the time, but that event did not happen while he was President.
430 Years
Galatians 3:16-17 says this:
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
Here, Paul says that the law came 430 years after the promises were made to Abraham. But in Exodus 12:40-41, we see:
Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years. At the end of the 430 years, to the very day, all the LORD’s divisions left Egypt.
If the Israelites were in Egypt 430 years, then there could not have been 430 years between Abraham’s promises and the law. God made the promises to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3, and as we read on through Genesis, we see that Abraham had no children at this time. Later, he had a son named Isaac. When Isaac was 60 years old, he had Jacob (Gen 25:24-26), and Jacob had 12 sons that produced the 12 tribes of Israel. Already, we can see that some time has passed since Abraham received the promise. Once Jacob’s sons were all grown with families of their own, they finally settled in Egypt. Jacob was 130 years old at this time (Gen 47:9), and this marks the beginning of that 430 year period that the Israelites spent in Egypt.
That means that the time between the promise to Abraham and the giving of the law was actually over 600 years. So why did Paul say 430 years? I think it’s obvious that this was a simple mistake. He remembered the 430 year figure because that’s how much time the Israelites spent in Egypt, and so he simply misspoke. It’s not a big deal… except that he’s supposed to be inspired by God.
Jesus’ Birth
There are a number of issues surrounding Jesus’ birth. First, Matthew’s and Luke’s accounts contradict one another on virtually all the details, which you can read about here. Secondly, Matthew seems to invent an episode where Herod kills all the children in Bethlehem who are 2 and under, causing Mary, Joseph, and Jesus to flee to Egypt (instead of just returning home to Nazareth, because only Luke says that they started in Nazareth). Matthew does this in order to “fulfill” some Old Testament passages that actually have nothing to do with Jesus or killing babies. You can read about Matthew’s misuse of the Old Testament here — it’s quite blatant.
The Virgin Birth is one of the most famous aspects of Jesus’ story, and it was supposedly done in fulfillment of a prophecy from Isaiah. But it turns out that Isaiah was prophesying no such thing — he was talking about an event that was happening in his own time, and Matthew (once again) just appropriated the “prophecy” for his own devices. You can read all the details here.
Another problem concerning Jesus’ birth narratives is that Matthew and Luke both offer genealogies for Jesus, but they are completely different from one another. Worse, they don’t match the genealogies listed in the Old Testament, either. And Matthew claims that there was a pattern in the number of generations between Abraham and David, between David and the Babylonian captivity, and between the Babylonian captivity and Christ. But to get this neat division, he is forced to leave out some names. In other words, that pattern didn’t happen. You can read more about that here.
The Triumphal Entry
While not as blatant as most of these other issues, when Matthew recounts Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, he once again borrows from the Old Testament, but seems to make a mistake in his implementation. See here for more info.
Judas’ Death
Judas is well known for being the disciple that betrayed Jesus, but what’s not as well known is there are two different accounts of his death, and it’s very hard to reconcile them. According to Matthew, Judas threw his money down at the chief priests’ feet and went out and hanged himself. We’re not told where he did this. The priests then take the money, and instead of putting it back in the treasury (since it’s blood money), they buy a field to use for burying strangers. Because they bought the field with this money, it’s called the “Field of Blood.”
According to Acts, Judas bought a field with his money (we’re not told that he was remorseful), and he somehow fell down, bursting open in the middle and bleeding to death. The field was called “Field of Blood” after that because of the manner in which Judas died.
To make things more complicated, Matthew (of course) says that this happened in accordance with Jeremiah’s prophecy, but there’s nothing in Jeremiah that matches up. The closest reference comes from Zechariah, not Jeremiah.
These issues really complicate the notion of divine inspiration, and you can read more about them here.
The Crucifixion
There are several big problems with the way the gospels record the events of Jesus’ death, including the fact that different times of day are given for it, and even different days altogether. You can read more about this here.
The Resurrection
There are also a number of problems concerning the resurrection, some minor, some major. They’re too involved to get into here, but you can read all about them here and here.
The Problem of Hell
The notion of Hell is fraught with problems. It might even surprise you to learn that the Bible’s teachings on the afterlife change dramatically between the Old and New Testaments. I go into detail about Hell’s problems here, here, and here.
The Problem of Evil
Another huge problem for Christianity is the problem of evil, which I talk about here. This post also addresses the “problem of Heaven.”
The Bible’s Morality
While a number of people believe that the Christian god is the source of all morality, the Bible is actually filled with some monstrous acts that are either commanded by God, done with his consent, or carried out by him directly. I talk about some specific examples here, and I address some of the common responses to them here.
Conclusion
Kathy, there are a number of other examples that could be given, including the prophecy of Tyre that we’ve been discussing. But to me, these are some of the most significant and clear-cut problems. We could try to manufacture explanations for every one of these — some might be more believable than others. But why should we have to? If a perfect God inspired this book, why should it contain so many discrepancies? And honestly, some of these issues can’t be explained. They’re just wrong. The problems go well beyond internal contradictions and unfulfilled prophecies. There are problems of authorship, problems with the doctrines, and problems with the way the texts were written, transcribed, and compiled.
I’m sure you’ve spent your time as a Christian trying to reach those who are lost. You’ve always believed that Christianity is truth, and it’s the one thing that everyone needs. But could it be that Christianity is just as false as every other religion in the world? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you want to leave it behind? When one is dedicated to finding truth, they have to be prepared to follow it wherever it leads. It’s not always easy or popular. It’s not even a guarantee that you’re right. All it means is that you follow the evidence where it leads to the best of your ability. If you find out that you’re wrong about something, you adjust course when the evidence dictates. If God exists, and if he’s righteous, what more could he ask for than that? I’ll close with my favorite quote:
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
— Marcus Aurelius
I am an avid shortwave radio listener. Looks like things are winding down here so I will go search the airwaves for something interesting. Have a good night everyone. That even goes for you , Mike. 🙂
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“Mike, you are way to funny ! The sites you just listed have mostly zero to 10 comments per post. The most I found was still under 60. No wonder you come over to the atheist sites. This is where it’s happening.”
ROFL ……this poor deluded soul thinks nate’s blog gets more traffic then DI and UD because they moderate and don’t keep long comment sections. Dude you crack me up. I just stopped reading you right there. You have about ten regular posters here just posting over and over and frankly Nate should be happy I am here because I AND few other christians are THE ones to wake this joint up. meanwhile let me give you a taste of reality
Heres this blog’ s alexa rank.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Ffindingtruth.wordpress.com
thats right 19,197,081 – Over 19 million sites beat it
Heres drwile.com 1,062,446 18 million spots higher
darwins-god.blogspot.com 5,227,108 14 million spots higher
UD 472,188 18.5 million spots higher
Evolutionnews 211,076 nearly 19 million spots higher
take a bow. You just proved how delusional you people are
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I’m not sure it ever did, KC 😉
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Mike, I was referring to their recent posts. But then you wouldn’t understand that. Go look at their recent posts .
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You really think it matters what the alexa rank is when a newbie is visiting a blog and sees how few comments there are !
You’re sucking wind Mike ! And you do it quite well !
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Kathy said:
No, I saw them, but the conversation moved far away from that topic before I had time to respond. Didn’t realize you were waiting on a response, so sorry about that.
I don’t believe your comments answered the point I was making. Now that you have the order in mind: man –> plants, go back and read Genesis 1. See if you can spot which day that God created man and which day he created plants.
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I never got into blogging for hits. I just like having conversations with people who find this stuff interesting. I don’t even advertise this blog beyond putting it in WordPress categories and tags. The only thing that worries me currently is not the number of hits or comments, but the direction the conversation has taken.
Yes Mike, as you like to constantly remind us, Arch and Ark can be quite caustic toward people at times. But the difference between them and you is that they know it when they’re doing it, they apologize if called out for it, and they even temper it when asked. You do none of those things. I know you won’t listen to this criticism, and that’s fine. I’ve actually gotten used to your antics. But several Christians have commented on here since you’ve been enlightening all of us, and many of them have said the same thing to you. Do what you want with that information.
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“Arch and Ark can be quite caustic toward people at times.” – Moi?
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“I’m not trying to sell anything. This is an atheist blog. I haven’t gone out to any theists trying to get them to deconvert. You came here. We didn’t come to you.”
And? You lied about us and our book in a public space and one of us showed up to do nothing but show you up for lying about us. You think thats selling something to you then you are delusional
” I’m supposed to believe you’ve cornered the market on Biblical interpretation when you can’t even convince me there is a God?”
Okay that answers it. You ARE delusional because the one thing I have made EXTREMELY clear from my “style” that you all love is that I have never cared one wit about convincing you as if I was going to appoint you judge and jury over anything. You are and never will be an appointed arbiter of anything in my mind. That something so simple has to be spelled out to you only highights your inability to see the obvious. You haven’t convinced me of anything either
“Yeah, go sell it somewhere else. Remember, you came here. Let me make this very clear – I was never one of YOU.”
That was ALWAYS clear Ruth to any REAL Christian
1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Whatever you thought you were then know it wasn’t real. If I lost my faith it would be like losing a woman I loved or a child. I wouldn’t want to dig it up over and over in my life. I’d deal with the betrayal loss maybe share it a few times and be done with it and move on. the fact that you guys run from blog to blog on the issue is the surest proof of the above passage. You had no real relationship so you have no sense of loss
and as for where i should go else. Suggest it to nate. Lock down the comment sections because you are on the public web which you didn’t set up and if you mischaracterize people’s faith , make up bogus “contradictions” they have the right and will come calling if comments are open especially while you are holding yourselves out as some authorities based on your alleged previous christianity.
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“Yes Mike, as you like to constantly remind us, Arch and Ark can be quite caustic toward people at times. But the difference between them ”
Is they agree with you (keep it real Nate)
and they curse and call people Dicks and you claim to nevertheless respect them based on your bias and lack of objectivity. I”ve seen plenty Christians come on here nate despite your fib in another thread that I am the only one you have problems with and as long as they are firm in their stance they get the same treatment from your group and they have some of he same issues with you
I’ve only noted two ALLEGED Christians come into any of our conversations and take issue with me and they show the suspicious behavior of having nothing else to say by the way of the truth they claim to adhere to but comment on me. So you are right it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t know who they are or if they are even someone you sent or another username of a regular poster.
It really doesn’t matter how you spin it Nate. The fact that you claim ARk and Arch despite their vicious and cursing behaviour at Christians which you mostly never stop are better is just PROOF POSITIVE of your bias. You have a VERY high threshold of fooling yourself but it is what it is. They are more palatable to you because they share your anti christian ideology. their “apologies’ (to the extent they are actually seen) are mock because they are right back to it sometimes two posts later and with no protests from you unless it gets really really really bad.
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Yep, and from you we never even get that. Way to shoot for the lowest common denominator.
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“You really think it matters what the alexa rank is when a newbie is visiting a blog and sees how few comments there are !”
KK thanks for the literal chuckle. busted by the facts you try to float that newbies read blogs just based on comments. the idea that this is where its me happening is a laugher. I am here because atheists whether you or others try to point people to these small blogs under the guise that the stuff is more to be believed and taken seriously because of an alleged past Christianity. Its deceptive and I oppose it and you on that mission. Kathy is a proof of that strategy.
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“Yep, and from you we never even get that. Way to shoot for the lowest common denominator.”
Your denominator is who agrees with you if not your major thrust woudn’t be me it would be them more if not even equally to me. the only one you are fooling is yourself.
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and no you never get cursing from me
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KC – just one more bit of movie trivia, and then back on topic, pinky-swear! James Arness played the 7-foot alien in the 1951 movie, “The Thing From Another World,” while Glen Strange (Miss Kitty’s “Sam the bartender”) stepped into the role of the Frankenstein monster after Boris Karloff left.
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Nate you wrote:
“The only thing that worries me currently is not the number of hits or comments, but the direction the conversation has taken.”
I agree, reading how much people jab each other, belittle and call people names makes me feel ill…the threads were not always like this. at least not as often.
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Nate, you said:
“I don’t believe your comments answered the point I was making. Now that you have the order in mind: man –> plants, go back and read Genesis 1. See if you can spot which day that God created man and which day he created plants.”
Yes, you are right about that, I, for some reason was referring to a different part of Gen. 1 instead of reading from the beginning. I was lazy and didn’t think I needed to read all of it.
I vaguely remember debating this point before.. Mike’s explanation is correct. If you, again, apply the context.. Gen 2 is a summary.. it starts out with the conclusion of the 6 day creation.. and then gives a more detailed description of man & woman, and the purpose of plants and animals.. that they are FOR man/ woman, not only to consume but to be “pleasing to the eye”.. and then sets up man’s relationship to God… by giving the very first commandment to be obeyed. This isn’t an additional account of creation.. it’s a detailed account of man/ woman and God’s first commandment to us… and then, of course how man allowed sin to enter into God’s creation by not obeying His command. Much different than Gen 1.
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“I’ve only noted two ALLEGED Christians come into any of our conversations and take issue with me and they show the suspicious behaviour of having nothing else to say by the way of the truth they claim to adhere to but comment on me. ”
Mike,
If your referring to me in this comment then that’s ok. my beliefs are between me and God,
I believe I can’t hide from God. He knows me and knows what I do and why I do it. I believe He knows me even better than I know myself.
If you doubt my sincerity that’s also ok with me, I can’t control what you think. and I have been insincere at times. I am not perfect.
I’m not here to argue with you, I’m happy to chat about God, faith and your beliefs…but I’m not going to debate you.
As I said, I’m not perfect, I would appreciate some grace. Sorry if my past posts were not that respectful or gracious towards you.
I like chatting to the people on this blog, including you, I enjoy the conversations.
Its that simple. I don’t agree with all the posts, sometimes I disagree with my own older posts 🙂
I believe in God, and I’m trying to live with the realisation of this. come to terms with this, and learn not to be selfish, and instead to serve others around me. I am conflicted, because I see so many areas of my life that do not reflect what I believe.
I don’t do this very well sometimes. But when I fall, Jesus is there to pick me back up. I believe that. There are some things I cannot change. But Christ is the only One I believe that can change those things no one else can. And He showed us all that through the Cross.
Life on this planet is too short to get caught up on fighting on blogs. Give me a cup of tea and a conversation any day 🙂
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kcchief said:
“Therefore I think we all have the same right to see Jesus appear to us just like he did to his disciples . ”
The disciples were different than you kc.. or any of us today.. they were the ones who would go out and preach the message and eventually sacrifice their lives. Which would give us the evidence we need to believe.
We only have the “rights” that God wants to give us. It’s God who has the right to reveal Himself to whom He wants and how He wants. If you were going to go out and preach the good news knowing that eventually you’d be killed for it, God would give you special proof too. As it is, we NOW have THEIR testimonies and martyrdom to help us believe… we’re spared the martyrdom part.
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Mike, you wrote:
“and no you never get cursing from me”
The thing is, it is possible to say dismissive and belittling things without typing a single curse word.
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Nate said:
“So Kathy, are you saying that some kind of creator must exist because humans are so complex?”
I’m saying that complexity is one of several reasons that argues that we are created beings. That existence is illogical/ goes AGAINST scientific laws is another reason.
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“He can’t achieve this in Christian sites which only average 2 – 10 comments per post.”
And do you know why that is?? Because liberals don’t like to debate. No one goes over there to challenge us.. we have to come here and then listen to you all complain about how “unpleasant” it is when people disagree with you. You all don’t like your beliefs and views challenged.. so you stay with your own and “chit chat”.. “exchange ideas”.. confirm each other’s beliefs and make fun of those who don’t agree with you.. aka Christians.
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“Gen 2 is a summary” – Gen 2 is free-standing and doesn’t summarize ANYthing. It was written more than 400 years prior to the writing of Gen 1, hence the writers couldn’t have “summarized” Gen 1.
Try cracking a book other than the Bible, you’d be surprised what you might learn.
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Kathy,
“we have to come here and then listen to you all complain about how “unpleasant” it is when people disagree with you. You all don’t like your beliefs and views challenged..”
I disagree with you 🙂 people here challenge each other quite often. Eric (a very nice Christian) has had various conversations with people, so has Cap Catholic, so has Josh. There are many here that are challenged and challenge others. And they are often respected and treated well. With a few exceptions. Maybe America is more polarised, why does everything have to be a debate? who wins in the end?
– A conversation is a created space where people can understand one another better, and express their beliefs.
– A debate is where people set out to bolster their beliefs and tear down others.
The former is a dialogue, The latter is a battle.
And in such battles truth does not always win.
This is why public debates can get messy, because the goal is not to understand, but to win
Which method is more effective in communicating what people believe?
all the best Kathy 🙂
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“If your referring to me in this comment then that’s ok.”
Wasn’t referring to you Port I don’t know what you are
“The thing is, it is possible to say dismissive and belittling things without typing a single curse word.”
Something for you to take into consideration when reading this blog
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