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Letter to Kathy (the Bible Has Problems)

Dear Kathy,

Since you graciously agreed (in our recent conversation) to let me present you with some examples of the Bible’s problems, I decided to do it in this way so it would have its own comment thread. As I’ve said, when I was a Christian, one strike against the Bible was not enough to shake my faith — maybe it only seemed problematic, maybe there was an explanation we hadn’t uncovered yet, maybe the historical accounts were wrong, etc. But as the problems began to mount up, I reached a point where I could no longer deny the fact that the Bible had actual errors.

A couple of suggestions before we begin. Try to be as open-minded about this as possible. As you go through these examples, ask yourself if God would allow such problems to exist in a message that he wanted all people to accept and believe? According to the Bible, whenever God sent someone a message, whether it was Pharaoh or Gideon or Nebuchadnezzar or Paul, they had no question whom it was from. They didn’t always follow it, as we see with people like Pharaoh and Solomon, but they didn’t question the source of the message or what it stated. So why would God operate differently today? Why would he want us to be so confused about his message that we’re able to question whether or not it’s really from him?

Another thing to keep in mind is that even if you come to the conclusion that the Bible has actual problems, that doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. There are a number of Christians who don’t believe in inerrancy. And even if you lose faith in the Christian god, that still doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. A number of people, including several of our founding fathers, were deists. I have a lot of sympathy for that view and plan to do a post on it soon.

Some of the items listed here will have links that provide additional information, especially when the issue is too detailed to list here. I hope that you’ll check out those links, since some of them are quite significant points. And regardless of how this article strikes you, I hope it will help serve as a great springboard to launch you into your own research.

Some of the Problems

Creation
The creation accounts in Genesis do not match what we’ve learned through science. This isn’t shocking news, but it bears looking into. Evolution and the Big Bang Theory had nothing to do with my deconversion, but I’ve learned more about both since leaving Christianity. It’s shocking how much misinformation I had been operating under. Not to say that all Christians are that way — that was simply my experience. But the evidence for both evolution and the Big Bang are far more substantial than I had ever realized. Two good resources for learning more about these issues are the following (though I’d also recommend checking out the recent Cosmos series, as well as some of the PBS NOVA specials):

Marco’s Daddy and the Beginning of Life on Earth


http://talkorigins.org/

Another problem with the creation accounts is that Genesis 1 says that plants and trees were made on the 3rd day, while man was made on the 6th. But Genesis 2:5-9 says that man was created before there were any plants or trees in the land. Also, the 1st chapter says that man was created after all the animals, but the 2nd chapter implies that it was the other way around. It seems strange that such discrepancies would exist only a chapter apart, but there are a number of textual clues that suggest the first 5 books of the Bible were assembled over a long period of time from various writings written by a number of different people. Many scholars believe that Genesis 1 and 2 represent two separate versions of the creation story that were both included because the compilers didn’t know which was more accurate. Whatever the reason, there’s no question that the differences exist and are hard to explain.

10 Plagues
During the 10 plagues, God afflicts all of Egypt’s livestock with a disease (Ex 9:1-7), and it specifies that it would affect the “horses, the donkeys, the camels, the herds, and the flocks.” We’re told that all of Egypt’s livestock died. But the later plague of boils was said to affect both man and beast (verse 10 of chapter 9). Maybe it meant non-livestock animals. But Ex 11:5 says that the death of the firstborn would also affect Egypt’s cattle, and in Exodus 14, Pharaoh pursues the Israelites with horses.

Hares Chew the Cud
Leviticus 11:6 tells us that hares chew the cud. They do not. Animals that chew the cud are called ruminants. When they eat plant matter, it goes to their first stomach to soften, and then it’s regurgitated to their mouth. They spend time re-chewing it, and then it is swallowed and fully digested. Ruminants (cows, sheep, goats, etc.) are recognizable because their chewing of the cud is very obvious. Hares (rabbits) don’t chew the cud; however, their mouths do move frequently, so it’s possible to see why some people may have assumed that they do chew the cud. Of course, God would know they didn’t, and this is why the passage is problematic. You can read more about this here.

Arphaxad
In the genealogy given in Genesis 11:10-12, we see that Noah fathered Shem and Shem fathered Arphaxad. At the age of 35, Arphaxad fathered Shelah. This information is confirmed in 1 Chron 1:18. But Luke 3:35-36 tells us that Arphaxad’s son was Cainan, and he was the father of Shelah.

Where does Luke get this information? It disagrees with the Old Testament, so who should we believe? Some have suggested that Genesis and 1 Chronicles simply left out Cainan for some reason. But why would they do that? To further complicate it, how could Cainan have fit in there? Genesis tells us that Arphaxad was 35 when he fathered Shelah. Does it really seem likely that Arphaxad became a grandfather by 35, especially when you consider the extreme old ages that people lived to at that time?

Another explanation is that some copyist messed up when copying Luke and Cainan is just a mistake. But this is not much better. First of all, the error would have needed to occur early for it to be in all our copies of Luke. Secondly, are we really comfortable saying that we have the inspired word of our creator, but it got messed up by some guy who wasn’t paying close attention? To me, that doesn’t lend a lot of credence to the idea of inspiration or inerrancy.

Instead, the most likely explanation is that Luke made a mistake. This, of course, would indicate that he was not inspired.

Problems in the Book of Daniel
In Daniel 5, the writer refers to Belshazzar as the son of Nebuchadnezzar 7 different times. Yet we know from multiple contemporary sources that Belshazzar’s father was Nabonidus, who was not related to Nebuchadnezzar. The same chapter says that Darius the Mede took over Babylon, but this person does not seem to have ever existed. Daniel says that he was the son of Ahaseurus, and in mentioning this, the author of Daniel indicates that he was thinking of a later ruler — the persian emperor Darius the Great, whose son was Ahaseurus. This post in particular goes into the problems surrounding the 5th chapter, but if you’d like to learn about the problems in the rest of the book, you can access each article in the series here.

Jairus’s Daughter
In Mark 5:23, Jairus finds Jesus and says that his daughter is at the point of death. While they’re on their way to the house, some of his servants find them on the way and say that she has died and there’s no point in troubling Jesus further.

However, in Matthew 9:18, Jairus already knows that his daughter has died, but tells Jesus that if he’ll lay his hands on her, she’ll live. This may seem like a minor difference, but honestly, there’s only one scenario that could be true. Either the girl was already dead, or she wasn’t. And if Jairus already knew she was dead, then there was no point in his servants coming to tell him that (so of course, they don’t appear in Matthew’s account).

The Centurion
This is similar to the previous issue. Matthew and Luke both record a centurion who asks Jesus to heal his sick servant. Matthew 8:5-13 says that the centurion himself comes before Jesus to ask for help. Luke 7:1-10 says that the Jewish elders went on his behalf, and then he sent servants to follow up. In Luke, Jesus never speaks to, or even sees, the centurion at all.

Hight Priest
In Mark 2:23-28, Jesus talks about the occasion from the Old Testament when David ate the showbread, which Jesus said was in the days of Abiathar the high priest. However, in 1 Samuel 21:1-6, it appears that Ahimelech was the high priest. Some have tried to answer this problem by saying that Abiathar was alive during that particular episode, so Jesus’ statement is still true. But that’s obviously not the intent of the passage. After all, we would correct anyone who said that the tragedy of 9/11 occurred during the days of President Barack Obama. He may have been alive at the time, but that event did not happen while he was President.

430 Years
Galatians 3:16-17 says this:

The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Here, Paul says that the law came 430 years after the promises were made to Abraham. But in Exodus 12:40-41, we see:

Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years. At the end of the 430 years, to the very day, all the LORD’s divisions left Egypt.

If the Israelites were in Egypt 430 years, then there could not have been 430 years between Abraham’s promises and the law. God made the promises to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3, and as we read on through Genesis, we see that Abraham had no children at this time. Later, he had a son named Isaac. When Isaac was 60 years old, he had Jacob (Gen 25:24-26), and Jacob had 12 sons that produced the 12 tribes of Israel. Already, we can see that some time has passed since Abraham received the promise. Once Jacob’s sons were all grown with families of their own, they finally settled in Egypt. Jacob was 130 years old at this time (Gen 47:9), and this marks the beginning of that 430 year period that the Israelites spent in Egypt.

That means that the time between the promise to Abraham and the giving of the law was actually over 600 years. So why did Paul say 430 years? I think it’s obvious that this was a simple mistake. He remembered the 430 year figure because that’s how much time the Israelites spent in Egypt, and so he simply misspoke. It’s not a big deal… except that he’s supposed to be inspired by God.

Jesus’ Birth
There are a number of issues surrounding Jesus’ birth. First, Matthew’s and Luke’s accounts contradict one another on virtually all the details, which you can read about here. Secondly, Matthew seems to invent an episode where Herod kills all the children in Bethlehem who are 2 and under, causing Mary, Joseph, and Jesus to flee to Egypt (instead of just returning home to Nazareth, because only Luke says that they started in Nazareth). Matthew does this in order to “fulfill” some Old Testament passages that actually have nothing to do with Jesus or killing babies. You can read about Matthew’s misuse of the Old Testament here — it’s quite blatant.

The Virgin Birth is one of the most famous aspects of Jesus’ story, and it was supposedly done in fulfillment of a prophecy from Isaiah. But it turns out that Isaiah was prophesying no such thing — he was talking about an event that was happening in his own time, and Matthew (once again) just appropriated the “prophecy” for his own devices. You can read all the details here.

Another problem concerning Jesus’ birth narratives is that Matthew and Luke both offer genealogies for Jesus, but they are completely different from one another. Worse, they don’t match the genealogies listed in the Old Testament, either. And Matthew claims that there was a pattern in the number of generations between Abraham and David, between David and the Babylonian captivity, and between the Babylonian captivity and Christ. But to get this neat division, he is forced to leave out some names. In other words, that pattern didn’t happen. You can read more about that here.

The Triumphal Entry
While not as blatant as most of these other issues, when Matthew recounts Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, he once again borrows from the Old Testament, but seems to make a mistake in his implementation. See here for more info.

Judas’ Death
Judas is well known for being the disciple that betrayed Jesus, but what’s not as well known is there are two different accounts of his death, and it’s very hard to reconcile them. According to Matthew, Judas threw his money down at the chief priests’ feet and went out and hanged himself. We’re not told where he did this. The priests then take the money, and instead of putting it back in the treasury (since it’s blood money), they buy a field to use for burying strangers. Because they bought the field with this money, it’s called the “Field of Blood.”

According to Acts, Judas bought a field with his money (we’re not told that he was remorseful), and he somehow fell down, bursting open in the middle and bleeding to death. The field was called “Field of Blood” after that because of the manner in which Judas died.

To make things more complicated, Matthew (of course) says that this happened in accordance with Jeremiah’s prophecy, but there’s nothing in Jeremiah that matches up. The closest reference comes from Zechariah, not Jeremiah.

These issues really complicate the notion of divine inspiration, and you can read more about them here.

The Crucifixion
There are several big problems with the way the gospels record the events of Jesus’ death, including the fact that different times of day are given for it, and even different days altogether. You can read more about this here.

The Resurrection
There are also a number of problems concerning the resurrection, some minor, some major. They’re too involved to get into here, but you can read all about them here and here.

The Problem of Hell
The notion of Hell is fraught with problems. It might even surprise you to learn that the Bible’s teachings on the afterlife change dramatically between the Old and New Testaments. I go into detail about Hell’s problems here, here, and here.

The Problem of Evil
Another huge problem for Christianity is the problem of evil, which I talk about here. This post also addresses the “problem of Heaven.”

The Bible’s Morality
While a number of people believe that the Christian god is the source of all morality, the Bible is actually filled with some monstrous acts that are either commanded by God, done with his consent, or carried out by him directly. I talk about some specific examples here, and I address some of the common responses to them here.

Conclusion

Kathy, there are a number of other examples that could be given, including the prophecy of Tyre that we’ve been discussing. But to me, these are some of the most significant and clear-cut problems. We could try to manufacture explanations for every one of these — some might be more believable than others. But why should we have to? If a perfect God inspired this book, why should it contain so many discrepancies? And honestly, some of these issues can’t be explained. They’re just wrong. The problems go well beyond internal contradictions and unfulfilled prophecies. There are problems of authorship, problems with the doctrines, and problems with the way the texts were written, transcribed, and compiled.

I’m sure you’ve spent your time as a Christian trying to reach those who are lost. You’ve always believed that Christianity is truth, and it’s the one thing that everyone needs. But could it be that Christianity is just as false as every other religion in the world? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you want to leave it behind? When one is dedicated to finding truth, they have to be prepared to follow it wherever it leads. It’s not always easy or popular. It’s not even a guarantee that you’re right. All it means is that you follow the evidence where it leads to the best of your ability. If you find out that you’re wrong about something, you adjust course when the evidence dictates. If God exists, and if he’s righteous, what more could he ask for than that? I’ll close with my favorite quote:

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
— Marcus Aurelius

1,782 thoughts on “Letter to Kathy (the Bible Has Problems)”

  1. ” but honestly, those arent factual – cant be taken literal, and take a lot, and i mean a lot of work and a tremendous amount of hope to agree with…”

    that you can even use the word honestly in your statement betrays your own lying ways. If you are talking about the one Nate decided to run off with then fine that has dates etc but that was him running off with it as if it was the only one I offered (no one reading that hack piece would have read that any other prophecy was offered with it and he STILL has almost refused to deal with the 1967 part – frankly despite his denials that was done for that very reason). However the no walls in ezekiel, takes no work whatsoever and its the same for any of the 12-15 ones I could bring up. You are just lying about it and we know why

    IF its one thing I have learned about this blog its that it harbors probably the most hypocritical set of people I have ever met online. Everyone of you claim to be open but you think that anyone that comes along can’t see your pretense for what it is. Who in their right minds wouldn’t know that ANY prophecy regardless of its merit would be heard ONLY for the purpose of trying to concoct a way to deny it. Most atheists sites are transparent with this but why you get special mention for your collective hypocrisy is that you unlike those sites PRETEND like thats not the case. From the blog owner down you try and fool people that you are open and unbiased when any fool that stays around long enough will know its pretty much a straight up and up lie.

    So you ask for evidence? Really believe we can’t see its not a genuine request? As the saying goes – Who you foolin?

    Look at Nate’s excuses for the unwalled villages one – linking to Wikipedia which says its 90% fence. when that wasn’t enough it was then well there are parts that are unfulfilled what about those?

    What about them?

    Which Christian believes Christ has come back already (well besides Preterists)? So by that rationale nothing can be fulfilled unless everything is. Any fool can see that’s just a contrived logic to make sure they all can be denied.

    Look I get it. This is where you come to bolster your decision to flake out of whatever religious experience you actually really had. Like a hang out for fired employees – a place to whine and moan about the company that let you go. The last thing you want is someone telling you its a great place to work or you were the reason you got fired.

    That’s fine – Just stop lying to others that you have any intention of hearing anything as if you are open – and for goodness sake don’t follow the nonsense pretzel logic that you are open but you would never change your mind. Trying to defy logic as if the both can be achieved simply because you BEG they can be is fooling no one

    Its lying and sorry but its pretty easy to see.

    Its like the Emperor with the new clothes.

    You fool yourself its real but anyone uninitiated can see you are naked on that claim.

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  2. so, mike, just answer:

    1) what day was jesus crucified? Passover like mark says, or before passover like John says?

    2) where were the angels encountered at the tomb?

    3) where was jesus encountered after the women reached his tomb?

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  3. @Nate,

    Kathy, I don’t even understand your most recent comment…

    Is she really asking if you’ve teamed up (sold your soul, so to speak) to Satan, himself?

    @Kathy,

    I don’t think that’s what Nate was saying…at.all. I think that he’s been trying to get the point across to you that he doesn’t think Christianity is any more credentialed than any other religion and that no other religion is credentialed. He doesn’t view any religion as having any more credentials than any other, including Christianity. I’m not sure why that’s been so difficult for you to understand. He wasn’t asking you to blaspheme anyone and he wasn’t blaspheming. He was using it as a comparative, yes. But if you don’t believe in God there’s no such thing as blasphemy, really.

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  4. Kathy the project that was delayed starts up in earnest tomorrow for me. I wish you the best with this lot and will probably check in with you next week via twitter. I’d remind you of proverbs 1 if you decide to stay too long but your choice. I think you can see the supreme bias when you have nate and company talking about understanding Krauss and everything out of nothing theories but rejecting anything of similar meta physics in Christianity. As you have said – no objectivity whatsoever.

    take care

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  5. Well, let’s see.. what else has Jesus been wrong about? And if you think you have answers to that, just make sure you can back them up.

    Well, Jesus told everyone it was unnecessary to wash up before dinner (Matthew 15, Mark 7), so apparently he didn’t know about germs. Too bad, because that knowledge could have saved an untold number of lives.

    He also predicted that the stars would fall from the sky (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25), so apparently he didn’t know how big or far away they actually were.

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  6. “The saddest part is that Mike seems to actually believe all that.”

    NO nate the saddest part of that is that it IS WITHOUT A DOUBT true and that you have created a world of which this blog is a part for the very purpose of deluding yourself that you are open minded while claiming in true pretzel like twisted logic that you would never change your mind

    Anyone that can see past the verbiage and mental gymnastics of this piece

    https://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/never-going-back/

    Can see that and its testimony to the great ability of the human mind to delude itself (which you believe can only happen with Christianity) that you maintain to hold both an open but never going to change mind with an honest heart and logic.

    Although I must confess with the swiftness with which you dropped the “I am jut sharing my perspective” to full evangelestic mode I want to Kathy to flake out on her faith too I suspect it might not be as delusional as I thought and more deliberate.

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  7. what? mike’s dodging more questions, the same questions he’s been dodging, and then goes back to the origins of the universe… a conversation he created to avoid having to deal with his own position.

    Good bye, mike. Your delusional self righteousness wont be missed. If you come back, try to stay on point, and try to think about what you’ve typed before clicking send.

    Kathy?

    look, all this has to be about is what the bible says for itself. we may not agree, but if we’re really honest, we could at least acknowledge that certain things look suspect, or at the very least look suspect to some people…

    again, if you cannot even admit that John’s and mark’s different days of jesus’ crucifixion could even appear to be a contradiction, then you’re either dishonest, or mentally deficient.

    mike/Kathy,

    1) can you admit that certain parts of the bible, like the day of crucifixion, could at least appear problematic to some people?

    2) What day was jesus crucified on?

    3) where were the angels encountered at the tomb?

    4) what is the factual evidence you’ve stated exists for the bible?

    you can say I’m dishonest or biased all you like, but that doesnt erase the fact that you two continually avoid these questions and others like them.

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  8. “He also predicted that the stars would fall from the sky (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25), so apparently he didn’t know how big or far away they actually were.”

    🙂 🙂 have fun floating those previously shot down claims again ronny boy.

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  9. Nate, if you were truly a Christian at one time, there’s no way you wouldn’t understand my comment. You once believed that there were true enemies of God, being led by the ultimate enemy. No “ex” Christian here can claim otherwise if you were truly a Christian at one time.

    So, once again, you are going to dodge yet ANOTHER valid point I’ve made. You perceive saying anything positive about Christianity as equivalent to “blaspheme”.

    There is no valid reason to not answer my question (except for “blaspheme” against satan?).. for not answering my question.. I’m only asking which religion you believe has the best evidence for it’s truth.. I’m not asking for any endorsement.. I’m asking for an HONEST answer.

    And, I’m starting a list, which I’m going to post it periodically, as it grows.. to point out your clear failings in defending your atheist beliefs.

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  10. mIKe, I thought (hoped) you were leaving.

    since you’re sticking around,

    1) can you admit that certain parts of the bible, like the day of crucifixion, could at least appear problematic to some people?

    2) What day was jesus crucified on?

    3) where were the angels encountered at the tomb?

    4) IF the supernatural is real, and IF god created the universe, then what brings us to jesus and the bible?

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  11. “again, if you cannot even admit that John’s and mark’s different days of jesus’ crucifixion could even appear to be a contradiction, then you’re either dishonest, or mentally deficient.”

    and he knows of what he speaks as one who has been there. ROFL

    all you and Nates so called contradictions are a load of garbage that I have seen. Would this have to do with the passover and of course your feeble understanding of what it was?

    Yep…. I bet ……and another one bites the dust.

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  12. “And, I’m starting a list, which I’m going to post it periodically, as it grows.. to point out your clear failings in defending your atheist beliefs.” – kathy

    or you could just answer the questions asked to you…

    you could also make a little more sense in what youre saying. What didnt you understand about nate’s analogy? He’s told you once that he thought buddhism was better, then you said you meant something else wanted him to provide the religion with the most credentials, to which he replied, I think they all have bad credentials of being from the divine…

    what’s the hang up? and why are holding to this so strongly? is it to avoid answering other questions?

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  13. that’s cool mike. i didnt think you had an answer, but the “the answer is so easily obvious that I wont tell you what it is” angle is fun.

    The passover was day one, then preceded by 7 days of the feast of unleavened bread. The NT has afew places that use the name “passover” to address both festivals. that’s fine and is of no consequence. But “before passover” like john says and “on passover” like mark says, is irreconcilable.

    You’re constant refusal to answer lends validity to my claim.

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  14. @Kathy,

    There is no valid point in your claim that Christianity is the most credentialed. You asked Nate which he thought was most credentialed. He’s answered that. He thinks that no religion is any more credentialed than another, including Christianity. Martyrs, scriptures, maps, [unnamed] outside sources…most other religions have these things, depending on what you mean by outside sources. Commentaries and books written about the scriptures?

    Do you really want to stand on this hill? That Christianity is credentialed?!? I’m not sure, unless you mean the variety of authors in the NT, what you even mean by that.

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  15. “And, I’m starting a list, which I’m going to post it periodically, as it grows.. to point out your clear failings in defending your atheist beliefs.”

    OH VEY! No My sister. They are not worth the ongoing time. we myself included have to consider stewardship. This lot is not into anything you say and if you have not noticed Nate’s only real interest is converting you to atheism.

    Consider that now both he and arch defend Krauss’s theory that everything came out of absolutely nothing. do you get that? Everything – time and space coming out of nothing before time and space. this is the clap trap they are willing to believe or hold as serious things that should be considered while they laugh at the idea of an already existing body coming back to life.

    and why? you and I know it – God hate. Not a hate of meta physics or anything that cannot be scientifically verified – Krauss’ theory has no test that could possible prove it after all. They will eat it up merely because it does not have the G word. Plain and simple.

    So don’t think creating a list will make ay difference to people so biased. it will not mean a lick just as ANY evidence you present will not mean a thing either.

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  16. William’s comment:

    ““WHAT HAPPENED Nate?? What is your primary reason for turning your back on God??” – kathy

    read his blog. read his about section and follow the links. he’s walked you through it.”

    I asked for his primary reason. And often reasons change.. if people are open minded that is.. I’ve given him valid arguments for several of those reasons.. I’m asking for an “update”..

    Now my question to you and Ruth and others here.. why do you feel the need to come to Nate’s rescue? Not like I haven’t seen that before.

    Show some integrity and objectivity Nate.. please answer my question. You can include all the “howevers” and “buts” you want.. there’s no honest reason to not answer my question.

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  17. “You’re constant refusal to answer lends validity to my claim.”

    LOL….since I am on record as ignoring you while responding to others because of your vast foolishness in the past I guess that makes for a good strategy. After all if someone ignoring you doesn’t answer your questions that means they are valid. 🙂 Great logic there I tell ya.

    ” But “before passover” like john says and “on passover” like mark says, is irreconcilable. ”

    Really?? You realize that like a Nit you haven’t even specified what verse you are talking about but on a guess here.

    http://www.tektonics.org/lp/passovertime.php

    and let the hand waving begin. lol

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  18. Now my question to you and Ruth and others here.. why do you feel the need to come to Nate’s rescue?

    Kathy, people are probably just trying to give a shot in their own words at answering your questions and clearing up what they think are some misunderstandings. This is an open forum and that’s only a natural thing to do.

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  19. Not every word in the Bible is meant to be taken literally.” – why don’t you do us a favor, Big Picture Kathy, make us a list of which ones are and which ones aren’t? I think we’d all like to know.

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