Dunkin’ Donuts has better coffee than Starbucks. I’ve only had Starbucks a few times. It’s not very prevalent here. I don’t do all those lattes and frappupcino flavored coffees dealios. I just want my coffee to taste like coffee. Fully leaded please.
I’m glad you’re “still laughing” Ruth, but it only shows your lack of understanding of my comment (and quotation marks). And since it’s about objectivity, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
Yes, clearly I’m the one here who lacks objectivity. You got me, Kathy.
Now, I’m glad you could take the time to make this strawman argument but you still didn’t answer my question.
Did you read the Discovery article? And did you watch the video linked in the article?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer. We all know you don’t like to answer questions.
Ruth, Kathy is currently on twitter demanding that a nice morman woman answer all of Kathy’s questions. you are right, she never answers a question, unless it is with another question..
the only questions Kathy answers are the ones you have to answer to get food stamps,
and I’m sure she lies when she is doing that.
I’m not a twit so I haven’t checked it out. But I did see where you’d posted that she’d found a new pasture to fertilize and someone else to harass help find their objectivity.
If someone is giving an account of an event they witnessed or feeling they experience, only they know if it’s actually truth or not.
we, as the listener may have doubts or we may believe the person’s account – but we can’t really speak on the truth of the matter if it’s something we can’t investigate – like claims of certain events in the past or regarding a person’s feelings, etc.
The bible, being a book of claims, is not something that we can KNOW is “truth.” Many people claim they are telling the “truth” when they share the gospel, but all they’re doing is espousing what they believe to be “truth,” which is based on the claims of the authors.
believed truth and actual truth can be very different.
So when kathy or anyone else speaks about such things, saying it’s “truth,” they’re only making unsubstantiated claims – trying to give the illusion of validity.
I just finished reading the book you recommended, God’s Debris. It was very interesting, thanks. While I understand it is fiction, like the parts about god dust disappearing and reappearing, there were plenty of mind-bending ideas that made me question my understanding of reality. Here are some take-away thoughts I got from the book:
If a God exists and is all powerful it must have the ability to end it’s existence. Therefore, it must constantly choose whether to continue to exist or not. (spoiler: the name of the book is based on the idea that everything we see is part of “God’s Debris” because God decided to try non-existence out.)
An all-knowing God would know it’s own future and this would make it impossible to choose things or have free will.
An all-knowing God would certainly know the future of every human and since our futures are already known we are all deluded with the idea of free will.
I wonder what everyone else thinks about free will? Have you read Sam Harris’ short book on free will? Do you guys think free will is real or an illusion?
The philosophical definition of Free Well (Dictionary.com) is: “The doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.”
I tend to lean towards this definition. Perhaps because I don’t believe in supernatural entities; thus, there is no outer space being that is influencing my decisions and/or personal choices.
Of course there are a lot of factors that may influence our decisions, but at this moment, i fully believe I am capable of making free choices.
I do agree, if there were a being that knew all future events, It would seem like to me that the future is predetermined. And if there is a predetermined future, then it would seem like to me that free will would be a fiction.
But if there were a being who knew future possibilities or future events that were fluid, becoming more defined and absolute with each passing event, then perhaps free will still exists.
But again, i dont believe in the god of the bible nor do I believe in set future events, so currently, I think there is free will.
I do wonder, does the the bible even expressly say that god knows all future events?
if the bible were really deities inspired word, then i suppose that deity would be flawed. Perhaps he is not all powerful or all knowing – just very powerful.
Right. Why do you think I’m claiming anything else than it’s what
I believe to be the truth? This shows how intimidated atheists are
when Christians claim truth.. they feel compelled to “clarify” when it’s
not (shouldn’t be) necessary.
“Right. Why do you think I’m claiming anything else than it’s what
I believe to be the truth?” -kathy
I dont. I’m sure you believe it’s true.
“This shows how intimidated atheists are
when Christians claim truth.. they feel compelled to “clarify” when it’s
not (shouldn’t be) necessary.” – kathy
Except no one’s intimidated. I was merely explaining that when you act as if it’s “absolute truth” that there’s no way you could verify it’s “absolute” or even “true” but only that you “believe it’s true.”
see?
Are you intimidated? is that why you always “claim truth” as if it’s a matter of indisputable fact? It’s okay if we disagree. You’re convinced my martyrs that christianity is truly divine, and I do not find that convincing.
Finding Truth 
I don’t know what they used to use, but the switch was a mistake.
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Portal, would you get your butt to bed? You are NOT going to blame ME for dragging your ass around all day tomorrow!
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Arch,
It’s like 3:30pm where I am. I’m about to go to work 🙂
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“It’s like 3:30pm where I am. I’m about to go to work” – I can only hope that you’re employed as a mattress tester —
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Dunkin’ Donuts has better coffee than Starbucks. I’ve only had Starbucks a few times. It’s not very prevalent here. I don’t do all those lattes and frappupcino flavored coffees dealios. I just want my coffee to taste like coffee. Fully leaded please.
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I hope this works. I’m an artist and this is one of my pieces.
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here is another of my paintings.
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this is the most recent thing I painted, I did it for a doctors office that treats children with cancer.
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I’m glad you’re “still laughing” Ruth, but it only shows your lack of understanding of my comment (and quotation marks). And since it’s about objectivity, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
Yes, clearly I’m the one here who lacks objectivity. You got me, Kathy.
Now, I’m glad you could take the time to make this strawman argument but you still didn’t answer my question.
Did you read the Discovery article? And did you watch the video linked in the article?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer. We all know you don’t like to answer questions.
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nice artwork, paulie girl
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thanks William.
Ruth, Kathy is currently on twitter demanding that a nice morman woman answer all of Kathy’s questions. you are right, she never answers a question, unless it is with another question..
the only questions Kathy answers are the ones you have to answer to get food stamps,
and I’m sure she lies when she is doing that.
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“I tried calling you “Vicky” once, and THAT pissed you off at ME!”
Arch, you are such a drama queen. http://fc05.deviantart.net/images3/i/2004/11/1/2/_dramaqueen__emoticon.gif
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Experiment and Results: Unlike WP emoticons, Image links do not embed when you post them with text.
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@ SaintPaulieGirrrll!,
I’m not a twit so I haven’t checked it out. But I did see where you’d posted that she’d found a new pasture to fertilize and someone else to
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Truth.
If someone is giving an account of an event they witnessed or feeling they experience, only they know if it’s actually truth or not.
we, as the listener may have doubts or we may believe the person’s account – but we can’t really speak on the truth of the matter if it’s something we can’t investigate – like claims of certain events in the past or regarding a person’s feelings, etc.
The bible, being a book of claims, is not something that we can KNOW is “truth.” Many people claim they are telling the “truth” when they share the gospel, but all they’re doing is espousing what they believe to be “truth,” which is based on the claims of the authors.
believed truth and actual truth can be very different.
So when kathy or anyone else speaks about such things, saying it’s “truth,” they’re only making unsubstantiated claims – trying to give the illusion of validity.
this all goes without saying.
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*=)) rolling on the floor
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OK, that emoticon didn’t show up here like it does in my email. Oh well.
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Ken,
I just finished reading the book you recommended, God’s Debris. It was very interesting, thanks. While I understand it is fiction, like the parts about god dust disappearing and reappearing, there were plenty of mind-bending ideas that made me question my understanding of reality. Here are some take-away thoughts I got from the book:
If a God exists and is all powerful it must have the ability to end it’s existence. Therefore, it must constantly choose whether to continue to exist or not. (spoiler: the name of the book is based on the idea that everything we see is part of “God’s Debris” because God decided to try non-existence out.)
An all-knowing God would know it’s own future and this would make it impossible to choose things or have free will.
An all-knowing God would certainly know the future of every human and since our futures are already known we are all deluded with the idea of free will.
I wonder what everyone else thinks about free will? Have you read Sam Harris’ short book on free will? Do you guys think free will is real or an illusion?
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I’m still reading, but what I find most interesting thus far is that Scott Adams would write such a book …
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The philosophical definition of Free Well (Dictionary.com) is: “The doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.”
I tend to lean towards this definition. Perhaps because I don’t believe in supernatural entities; thus, there is no outer space being that is influencing my decisions and/or personal choices.
Haven’t read Sam Harris’ book. Should I?
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*FREE WILL* (not free well — but you probably figured that out on your own).
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I believe in Free Will.
Of course there are a lot of factors that may influence our decisions, but at this moment, i fully believe I am capable of making free choices.
I do agree, if there were a being that knew all future events, It would seem like to me that the future is predetermined. And if there is a predetermined future, then it would seem like to me that free will would be a fiction.
But if there were a being who knew future possibilities or future events that were fluid, becoming more defined and absolute with each passing event, then perhaps free will still exists.
But again, i dont believe in the god of the bible nor do I believe in set future events, so currently, I think there is free will.
I do wonder, does the the bible even expressly say that god knows all future events?
if the bible were really deities inspired word, then i suppose that deity would be flawed. Perhaps he is not all powerful or all knowing – just very powerful.
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“this all goes without saying.”
Right. Why do you think I’m claiming anything else than it’s what
I believe to be the truth? This shows how intimidated atheists are
when Christians claim truth.. they feel compelled to “clarify” when it’s
not (shouldn’t be) necessary.
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“Right. Why do you think I’m claiming anything else than it’s what
I believe to be the truth?” -kathy
I dont. I’m sure you believe it’s true.
“This shows how intimidated atheists are
when Christians claim truth.. they feel compelled to “clarify” when it’s
not (shouldn’t be) necessary.” – kathy
Except no one’s intimidated. I was merely explaining that when you act as if it’s “absolute truth” that there’s no way you could verify it’s “absolute” or even “true” but only that you “believe it’s true.”
see?
Are you intimidated? is that why you always “claim truth” as if it’s a matter of indisputable fact? It’s okay if we disagree. You’re convinced my martyrs that christianity is truly divine, and I do not find that convincing.
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