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Sins of the Father: Is part of Josh Duggar’s sexual deviancy a result of his upbringing?

By this time, practically everyone has heard about the child molestation scandal surrounding Josh Duggar of 19 Kids & Counting fame. For those of you not as familiar with the story, the bare bones are these: Josh Duggar, who is now 27 years old, married, and the father 3 kids, molested 5 young girls (most of whom were his sisters) when he was 14 and 15. His parents found out and dealt with the matter privately. Actually, the way they handled it makes for quite a story in itself, and I recommend reading up on it. If it were fiction, it would be hard to believe.

Today, I read another article that showed where Josh’s dad, Jim Bob Duggar (yes, that’s his real name), said back in 2002 that incest and rape should be capital offenses. The irony’s pretty thick.

It goes without saying that this is a tragic story, especially for the young girls that were involved. And if you follow social media at all, you’ve probably seen some of the examples of schadenfreude that we sometimes feel toward people like Josh Duggar when they’re brought low.

At the same time, part of me feels a little sorry for this guy, because I can’t help but wonder if his upbringing didn’t have something to do with what happened. We’re not just talking about any old Christian household here. While I’m not a Christian and write against Christianity regularly, there are a number of Christian families who are able to convey a pretty healthy view of sex to their kids. The Duggar family is something else entirely. They adhere to a form of ultra-conservatism that is hard for most of us to identify with.

There’s a really great article about Duggar at Jezebel.com that’s definitely worth reading. In it, the author uses a chart that she got from an article by Libby Anne, who blogs at Patheos. I think this chart is brilliant and explains so much:

Josh Duggar, at ages 14 and 15, grew up in a home where any kind of sexual expression that wasn’t within the bounds of marriage was considered sin. As the chart shows, consent was not a major part of what constituted “allowable” sex. TV was restricted, their internet service was filtered, and there was no physical contact or kissing with the people these kids dated (source). I imagine that they also viewed masturbation as sinful. While someone like Victoria (NeuroNotes) has likely done much more research on this kind of thing than I have, I can easily see where this kind of sexual repression could lead a kid like Josh Duggar to make these kinds of mistakes. When things like rape and murder share the same label (“sin”) as things like masturbation and lust, then for some people, the lines become blurry. If a person is already in trouble with God for one sin, what real difference does it make if they go ahead and engage in another? He would have known that certain magazines, TV channels, and websites were all reliable sources of pornography but would have had no way to access any of them. I can see where that kind of frustration and repression could turn into a dangerous obsession.

I’m certainly not defending him or what he did. And plenty of people have grown up in households that had the same restrictive view of sex without resorting to molestation. But I still wonder if things might have played out differently had he been raised with a healthier view of sexuality.

77 thoughts on “Sins of the Father: Is part of Josh Duggar’s sexual deviancy a result of his upbringing?”

  1. The legal age of consent in the state of Arkansas (and the entire country of Mexico, as well) is 14 – girls too young to get a driver’s license are considered mature enough to choose to have sex with adults.

    As for divine guidance, Muslims consider the Q’uran to be as “Holy” as the Bible, yet Mohammed’s wife, Aisha, was 9. There is a movement in Egypt to lower the legal age of consent there to 9 as well.

    One can hardly get closer to “divine guidance” than the Pope. Lucrezia Borgia was born on April 18, 1480, the daughter of Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia (c. 1431–1503), later to become Pope Alexander VI, and his mistress Vannozza Cattanei, who was also the mother of Lucrezia’s two older brothers, Cesare and Giovanni.

    Her father, The Father, first married her off at the age of 11, to solidify a political alliance.

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  2. i wont go as far to say cause, because if it were a cause, it seems like the majority of those raised this way would do these types of things” – How do you know they don’t, William? How many such occurrences go undetected (remember, the girls were sleeping)? How many such detected events go unreported?

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  3. my brother became a big wig in the church and goes around preaching anti gay shit.” – It strikes me Pauli, that it might be fun to go to where he preaches and expose him, but far be it from me to suggest that you do that —

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  4. “How do you know they don’t, William? How many such occurrences go undetected (remember, the girls were sleeping)? How many such detected events go unreported?” – Arch

    yeah, I know… I have no idea. it’s really pretty distressing and i dont like to think about it.

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  5. it’s really pretty distressing and i dont like to think about it.

    C’mon, William – say it isn’t so —

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  6. I know exactly where you are coming from, William. No one wants to hear about horrible things that have happened to others. Problem is, that attitude is not healthy for victims. They need to be able to tell their stories – no matter how uncomfortable it is for others – so that we can say, “I hear you, the people who did that to you were wrong – they knew better and did those things anyway- I care about you and I weep for you”.

    In the Duggar case, and in Paul’s case, it’s even more heinous to think that the people who committed those indecent acts are walking among us with an air of moral superiority and those they wronged are the ones carrying the shame. It’s totally messed up and it makes me furious.

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  7. In the Duggar case, and in Paul’s case, it’s even more heinous to think that the people who committed those indecent acts are walking among us with an air of moral superiority and those they wronged are the ones carrying the shame. It’s totally messed up and it makes me furious.

    Yeah, I’d have to agree that the hypocrisy is one of the worst parts of this. That their family continued to say horrible things about the LGBT community and others while already knowing what happened within their own family is pretty sickening.

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  8. true, carmen. I just dont know the duggars. I dont want to know the bad stuff of people I dont know and can do nothing for.

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  9. “Yeah, I’d have to agree that the hypocrisy is one of the worst parts of this. That their family continued to say horrible things about the LGBT community and others while already knowing what happened within their own family is pretty sickening.” – nate

    I agree, but their self-righteousness is somewhere between thinking that they try harder than “worldly people” and that because of their faith and effort, god basically elevates them. it’s still bad, dont get me wrong, but i think to them that they know they have sin, and will sin, it’s just that they acknowledge that (even if in only a vague way) and confess they because of that, they need to rely on god and jesus.

    it’s asinine and still hypocrisy, I just dont think it originates because they think they have no sin – even if they sometime act that way.

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  10. Oh, I agree that they acknowledge (at least privately) that they have sin, but they seem to want one set of rules that only applies to them and another set that applies to everyone else. Their son did something horrible, but they still love their son (as they should) — so they wanted to deal with it in a nuanced and compassionate way. It’s their inability to see that other individuals might merit the same thing that’s so sad.

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  11. I agree with so many of the comments here and your blog Nate. And as for the person who said something about him only being 14. I was thinking the same thing, as long as he had not done anything since then, however it would be different if he were going around being open about what happened and trying to help others while preaching against it (and maybe he will now that it has come out) but instead it has been a secret while speaking out against homosexuality and other sexual sin and while he and his siblings are portrayed as not even kissing anyone until marriage.

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  12. LOL……You have to love the rubber stampers reasoning here. Nate baits the hook and they all bite (in fairness – he wrote it because he knew they would)

    Never mind the fact that as Christian values decrease in a society such things tend to escalate (certainly in the case of the US). Nate has a case to sell against all facts that Religion causes sexual deviancy. (and oh joy he calls for the resident neuro expert who has no expertise to back him up)

    see Christian family here?….see molester in family? clearly they two are connected (correlation not equaling causation be damned).

    So what actually happened? after the sexual revolution of the 60s where sex and free love became more acceptable if Nate is right then we should see a fall off in sexual crimes in the stats ? Oops instead we see an increase.

    But more interesting is the “logic”-

    SO ahem….. the next time we see a homosexual molesting a young boy may we infer a link and even causation between homosexuality and molestation?

    Inquiring minds want to know how pliable the the rubber stamper logic is. Plus it will make great popcorn eating and soda drinking entertainment as well to see the great trampoline gymnastics to bend the logic away from a conclusion that Nate and stampers would never want to make.

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  13. Nate, back when I traded stocks, some of the message boards had an “Ignore” feature that, for the user, simply blotted out the comments of undesirables, without actually banning the commenter from the board. Does WP have such a feature, and if so, could you install it?

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  14. Mike, why don’t you ask your therapist if there’s a relationship between repression and deviant behavior?

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  15. “Mike, why don’t you ask your therapist if there’s a relationship between repression and deviant behavior?”

    I would be he told me you had the whole month booked solid….lol

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  16. Oh Momma archie has links

    Never mind everyone on the internets has those

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320864/posts

    Using the logic here homosexuality is caused by early child abuse. Say it aint so.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/05/05/education-dept-sees-increase-in-campus-sex-crime-reporting

    Sex crimes are on the increase in colleges most of which are secular and even anti Religion….Hmmm maybe its the teaching of darwinism….yeah yeah thats it….applying the rubber stampers ummm “logic”

    lol…….

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  17. ablacksmanagain, you’re a total asshole. as a Christian you are a real piece of shit.

    (nate don’t delete this, you’re searching for the truth and there is nothing more truthful than what I just wrote.)

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  18. and for those who are thinking, well he was just a 14 yr old boy and there was no actual intercourse, try imagining a 14yr old boy fingering your 6yr old daughter.

    he did it to 5 girls under the age of 11. josh duggar was and still is a sexual predator, he should not be alone with any child.

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  19. so, according to most of Christian television, Christian persecution is coming soon to America, in my opinion I can’t happen soon enough. i’ talking about good old fashioned biblical persecution.

    I want those like ablacksmanagain to feel the real Christian experience, throw him in a pit of crocodiles for my amusement.

    thank you jeezzzuuusssss.

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  20. oh, and don’t get mad at me for saying that,
    it’s god’s plan, not mine. says so in the buybull.
    jeezzzuuusss said his followers would be persecuted in his name
    and the last thing I want to do is to make jeezzzuuusss out to be a liar.
    thy will be done.

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  21. ROFL…Why would I be angry at you Paulie?? Dude you are my FAVORITE poster by far 🙂

    I’ve read your screeching before and I love you man (not in that way though). You and your posts are my surest proofs Nate cares nothing too much for civility as long as its antichristian. As the Human Torch would say

    Flame on……lol…Your the man

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