“Nuero, research shows that people also look at looks. and they also associate success with appearance and income/status. While women may think they prefer character, the character they often prefer looks like a fit rich man.”
William, research also shows that women do look at character first and foremost, but that also depends on the time of month for them. When women are ovulating, they tend to go more for the “bad guys”, the selfish alphas who tend to hog the resources and not share them as readily as the nice guys, the beta males. It’s a paradox, but it may have more to do with women subconsciously thinking that they and their offspring will be more protected with an alpha, and genes may come into play as well. When a woman is not ovulating, research shows that they tend to pick out the nice guys, who do share their resources with their partner and offspring.
Women, unconsciously, look at the symmetry of a man’s face. Apparently, the more symmetrical, the better the genes.
I think it was the way you wrote it — it came across as all women being shallow. That’s not to say there aren’t shallow women. Culture, i.e., media, plays a role in this kind of behavior, or preference, too.
I wanted to also mention that for the first time in recorded history women are marrying “down”, meaning they have more education and resources than their partner but still want to marry them. This has a lot to do with the fact that women aren’t as suppressed and oppressed by men (culture) as they have been throughout history.
“So a person might think that there is no reward involved but there is, even if a person goes on a hunger strike, protests and gets maced, or dies for another. http://www.pnas.org/content/103/42/15623.full”
Take THAT Portal!
(He thought he’d sneak Jesus in on me as a parting shot) Boy, is HE gonna have emails when he gets back!
yes, i agree. men who seek such women should not be surprised when they end up with those women.
I really was just kidding, but there is still some truth to it.
Ruth, I believe that you dont care about such things – i’ve never been attracted to riches or high status…
…but, there has been certain statuses that do appeal to me – even if they’re not the popular ones. While I don’t seek out fitness models, i do find fit people attractive. While I have never tried to date a fashion model, who is not attracted to pretty faces?
People can act like they only look at what’s inside, but i don’t believe it. We’re animals, just animals that wear hats.
and even if you don’t care about money, is that absolutely true? I mean, that doesn’t mean that you have to be attracted to excess, but how many homeless or jobless men have you been attracted to?
Surely you’d prefer a guy who provides… something? maybe your tastes are more modest, and maybe you rate character higher than appearance, but appearance does play a part. That, I think, we really cant help. Physical appearance is natures way of letting weigh a mate’s genes.
anyhow, to clarify, I was joking, if that wasnt clear to begin with.
our attraction to people goes beyond the physical, and I would not consider the majority of people to be shallow enough to where they place more emphasis on the physical over character.
Ruth, I believe that you dont care about such things – i’ve never been attracted to riches or high status…
…but, there has been certain statuses that do appeal to me – even if they’re not the popular ones. While I don’t seek out fitness models, i do find fit people attractive. While I have never tried to date a fashion model, who is not attracted to pretty faces?
Absolutely, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes. I’ve been completely surprised at some of the women my husband finds attractive – not conventional.at.all. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me; he does find me attractive. 😉
“Faced with such dilemmas in the minds of their subjects, the researchers were able to examine what went on inside each person’s head as they made decisions based on moral beliefs. They found that the part of the brain that was active when a person donated happened to be the brain’s reward centre—the mesolimbic pathway, to give it its proper name—responsible for doling out the dopamine-mediated euphoria associated with sex, money, food and drugs. Thus the warm glow that accompanies charitable giving has a physiological basis.
But it seems there is more to altruism. Donating also engaged the part of the brain that plays a role in the bonding behaviour between mother and child, and in romantic love. This involves oxytocin, a hormone that increases trust and co-operation. ➡ When subjects opposed a cause, the part of the brain right next to it was active. This area is thought to be responsible for decisions involving punishment.
So, when Jesus was protesting — being a rebel against the establishment, he was getting a nice buzz. This is really eye-opening. It doesn’t make Jesus so “sacrificial”. Also, what you mention about Jesus knowing he was going to be in heaven — paradise. What kind of sacrifice is that?
Neuro, that’s why i am a good bad guy… or is it a bad good guy?
it’s important to take care of you spouse’s needs.
and I guess my original comment was sort of a dig at women, but i thought that is what made it humorous – not that women were the punchline, but that the sexist viewpoint was the punchline – does that make sense?
ah, when you have to explain the kidding remark, it means it wasn’t funny. crap. Guess I should rethink my NBC sitcom pitch.
Interesting thing, William – I once helped a childhood friend put together a start-up company, and part of our business arrangement, was that he paid my expenses. He liked to go to clubs and drink, and insisted I go with him. He bought all of the drinks, grandstandingly pulling out a big wad of cash to do so, yet the waitresses always flirted with me – that really pissed him off!
People can act like they only look at what’s inside, but i don’t believe it. We’re animals, just animals that wear hats.
and even if you don’t care about money, is that absolutely true? I mean, that doesn’t mean that you have to be attracted to excess, but how many homeless or jobless men have you been attracted to?”
I’m not disagreeing everything you say. People make choices all the time based on what they are not aware of. But my point, William, was that I’ve had enough experience in life to know that just because a man can earn a good living doesn’t make this man valuable, or a “catch” in my eyes. I have also learned (through research) that the more money a man has the more likely he will be addicted to power, hence, controlling. I’ve had my share of controlling men. No thank you.
As far as your other question goes — there are many people who are homeless in America — including a lot of men and women who served our country and were basically thrown to the curve when they returned. Sorry, but I am not going to judge someone as a bad catch who has experienced misfortune in their life. If anything, they probably have better characters than those who’ve never know what it’s like to suffer or go without.
I once hear a conversation between two of my aunts. One of my uncles had diabetes and therefore had ED. They were discussing this and my aunt who was married to my uncle with ED said she’s rather be with a man with a soft heart any day than a man with a hard d*ck. I couldn’t agree more.
“ah, when you have to explain the kidding remark, it means it wasn’t funny. crap. Guess I should rethink my NBC sitcom pitch.
LOL — William, thanks for the clarification. I guess, based on the proliferation of derogatory comments on forums from guys about women, I took your comment as a deliberate jab, not so much mocking the stereo-type. It’s always difficult to read full intent with just text. 🙂
I think, when addressing the validity of this Yahweh or any god in other cultures, there are many, many more subjects we can discuss to discount these gods besides what was written in the bible or other “holy” text. ~ Victoria
I agree. For me, I had to first see the moral problems in the Bible before it dawned on me that I needed to really adjust my reasoning methods. When I saw how many double standards I was guilty of (discounting all other divine claims while uplifting my own) it made me realize that I needed to start over from scratch. Yes, analyzing the Bible was a big part of that for me because it was what I was most engrossed in, but I also started analyzing other things like philosophy and science. For the first time in my life, everything was on the table and rather than dismissing ideas out of hand, I could read about them unrestricted. It was like having mental freedom for the first time. I think everyone should get to have an experience like this in their lifetimes, irregardless of what they believe in the end.
Absolutely, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes. — Ruth
Very true. In fact, I was watching House Hunters last night and was taken back with one couple. The girl was quite attractive, but her partner (hubby?) was next to ugly. Besides his less-than-attractive physical features (slightly overweight, prominent front teeth, weird hair), his overall demeanor came across as, well, sort of “goofy.” But she must have found something in him that turned her on, so you never know.
“It was like having mental freedom for the first time. I think everyone should get to have an experience like this in their lifetimes, irregardless of what they believe in the end.”
Dave, I resonate with all points besides what was cited here. Also, I’d like to note that having that mental freedom was/is the most liberating of anything I’d ever experienced. Does one really know what freedom feels like if they’ve always been a slave?
“Do you know that after I experience this identity theft ( I mistakenly wrote 6 figures, but it was actually just over 7 figures) I was told that God had allowed this to happen; that I was the sacrificial lamb who was to “witness” to him and lead him to Christ. I kid you not.”
Christians understand that you aren’t kidding Neuro. This is very true. First, nothing happens that God didnt’ allow to happen and 2nd, we understand that having a relationship with Jesus is infinitely more important than money. Your “7 figure” account isn’t worth even 1 person’s soul believe it or not.
“When women are ovulating, they tend to go more for the ‘bad guys’, the selfish alphas who tend to hog the resources and not share them as readily as the nice guys, the beta males.”
Now THAT’S the kind of inside info I was looking for!
“the warm glow that accompanies charitable giving has a physiological basis.” – it seems then, that nature (or as Kathy would say, “god”) has encoded us to reward ourselves for sharing, an attribute that benefits the survival of the species.
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“Nuero, research shows that people also look at looks. and they also associate success with appearance and income/status. While women may think they prefer character, the character they often prefer looks like a fit rich man.”
William, research also shows that women do look at character first and foremost, but that also depends on the time of month for them. When women are ovulating, they tend to go more for the “bad guys”, the selfish alphas who tend to hog the resources and not share them as readily as the nice guys, the beta males. It’s a paradox, but it may have more to do with women subconsciously thinking that they and their offspring will be more protected with an alpha, and genes may come into play as well. When a woman is not ovulating, research shows that they tend to pick out the nice guys, who do share their resources with their partner and offspring.
Women, unconsciously, look at the symmetry of a man’s face. Apparently, the more symmetrical, the better the genes.
I think it was the way you wrote it — it came across as all women being shallow. That’s not to say there aren’t shallow women. Culture, i.e., media, plays a role in this kind of behavior, or preference, too.
I wanted to also mention that for the first time in recorded history women are marrying “down”, meaning they have more education and resources than their partner but still want to marry them. This has a lot to do with the fact that women aren’t as suppressed and oppressed by men (culture) as they have been throughout history.
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yes, i agree. men who seek such women should not be surprised when they end up with those women.
I really was just kidding, but there is still some truth to it.
Ruth, I believe that you dont care about such things – i’ve never been attracted to riches or high status…
…but, there has been certain statuses that do appeal to me – even if they’re not the popular ones. While I don’t seek out fitness models, i do find fit people attractive. While I have never tried to date a fashion model, who is not attracted to pretty faces?
People can act like they only look at what’s inside, but i don’t believe it. We’re animals, just animals that wear hats.
and even if you don’t care about money, is that absolutely true? I mean, that doesn’t mean that you have to be attracted to excess, but how many homeless or jobless men have you been attracted to?
Surely you’d prefer a guy who provides… something? maybe your tastes are more modest, and maybe you rate character higher than appearance, but appearance does play a part. That, I think, we really cant help. Physical appearance is natures way of letting weigh a mate’s genes.
anyhow, to clarify, I was joking, if that wasnt clear to begin with.
our attraction to people goes beyond the physical, and I would not consider the majority of people to be shallow enough to where they place more emphasis on the physical over character.
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@ Neuro & William:
Ruth, I believe that you dont care about such things – i’ve never been attracted to riches or high status…
…but, there has been certain statuses that do appeal to me – even if they’re not the popular ones. While I don’t seek out fitness models, i do find fit people attractive. While I have never tried to date a fashion model, who is not attracted to pretty faces?
Absolutely, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes. I’ve been completely surprised at some of the women my husband finds attractive – not conventional.at.all. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me; he does find me attractive. 😉
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Arch, to further elaborate on the research:
http://www.economist.com/node/8023307
So, when Jesus was protesting — being a rebel against the establishment, he was getting a nice buzz. This is really eye-opening. It doesn’t make Jesus so “sacrificial”. Also, what you mention about Jesus knowing he was going to be in heaven — paradise. What kind of sacrifice is that?
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Neuro, that’s why i am a good bad guy… or is it a bad good guy?
it’s important to take care of you spouse’s needs.
and I guess my original comment was sort of a dig at women, but i thought that is what made it humorous – not that women were the punchline, but that the sexist viewpoint was the punchline – does that make sense?
ah, when you have to explain the kidding remark, it means it wasn’t funny. crap. Guess I should rethink my NBC sitcom pitch.
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Interesting thing, William – I once helped a childhood friend put together a start-up company, and part of our business arrangement, was that he paid my expenses. He liked to go to clubs and drink, and insisted I go with him. He bought all of the drinks, grandstandingly pulling out a big wad of cash to do so, yet the waitresses always flirted with me – that really pissed him off!
Cash doesn’t always do it.
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– So you WERE there! I thought I caught just a glimpse through the fringe!
A girl can’t tell all her secrets, now.
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I know you’re right arch, as I have no cash.
It’s important to understand that I was kidding, playing on cliche stereotypes.
Attraction is based on several things. Cash, cars, house, clothes are very, very low on my list.
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“Maybe you are only familiar with immature women.” – not that there’s anything wrong with that, some of my best friends have been immature women —
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Of course there’s a lot to be said for mature women —
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I’m not disagreeing everything you say. People make choices all the time based on what they are not aware of. But my point, William, was that I’ve had enough experience in life to know that just because a man can earn a good living doesn’t make this man valuable, or a “catch” in my eyes. I have also learned (through research) that the more money a man has the more likely he will be addicted to power, hence, controlling. I’ve had my share of controlling men. No thank you.
As far as your other question goes — there are many people who are homeless in America — including a lot of men and women who served our country and were basically thrown to the curve when they returned. Sorry, but I am not going to judge someone as a bad catch who has experienced misfortune in their life. If anything, they probably have better characters than those who’ve never know what it’s like to suffer or go without.
I once hear a conversation between two of my aunts. One of my uncles had diabetes and therefore had ED. They were discussing this and my aunt who was married to my uncle with ED said she’s rather be with a man with a soft heart any day than a man with a hard d*ck. I couldn’t agree more.
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“ah, when you have to explain the kidding remark, it means it wasn’t funny. crap. Guess I should rethink my NBC sitcom pitch.
LOL — William, thanks for the clarification. I guess, based on the proliferation of derogatory comments on forums from guys about women, I took your comment as a deliberate jab, not so much mocking the stereo-type. It’s always difficult to read full intent with just text. 🙂
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I agree. For me, I had to first see the moral problems in the Bible before it dawned on me that I needed to really adjust my reasoning methods. When I saw how many double standards I was guilty of (discounting all other divine claims while uplifting my own) it made me realize that I needed to start over from scratch. Yes, analyzing the Bible was a big part of that for me because it was what I was most engrossed in, but I also started analyzing other things like philosophy and science. For the first time in my life, everything was on the table and rather than dismissing ideas out of hand, I could read about them unrestricted. It was like having mental freedom for the first time. I think everyone should get to have an experience like this in their lifetimes, irregardless of what they believe in the end.
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Absolutely, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes. — Ruth
Very true. In fact, I was watching House Hunters last night and was taken back with one couple. The girl was quite attractive, but her partner (hubby?) was next to ugly. Besides his less-than-attractive physical features (slightly overweight, prominent front teeth, weird hair), his overall demeanor came across as, well, sort of “goofy.” But she must have found something in him that turned her on, so you never know.
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“It was like having mental freedom for the first time. I think everyone should get to have an experience like this in their lifetimes, irregardless of what they believe in the end.”
Dave, I resonate with all points besides what was cited here. Also, I’d like to note that having that mental freedom was/is the most liberating of anything I’d ever experienced. Does one really know what freedom feels like if they’ve always been a slave?
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“Do you know that after I experience this identity theft ( I mistakenly wrote 6 figures, but it was actually just over 7 figures) I was told that God had allowed this to happen; that I was the sacrificial lamb who was to “witness” to him and lead him to Christ. I kid you not.”
Christians understand that you aren’t kidding Neuro. This is very true. First, nothing happens that God didnt’ allow to happen and 2nd, we understand that having a relationship with Jesus is infinitely more important than money. Your “7 figure” account isn’t worth even 1 person’s soul believe it or not.
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lol, oh, lookie, she’s baaaaaacck.
First, nothing happens that God didnt’ allow to happen
yeppers, god allows children to be raped and murdered.
he’s just they type of guy I want to have a relationship with.
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Kathy, come to sarasota gay pride on the 18th and convert to lesbianism.
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“When women are ovulating, they tend to go more for the ‘bad guys’, the selfish alphas who tend to hog the resources and not share them as readily as the nice guys, the beta males.”
Now THAT’S the kind of inside info I was looking for!
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Kathy, you have definitely sunk to your lowest with that comment directed at Neuro. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
As someone else told you, if you think you’re gaining and converts for christianity, you’re effed up. There, I said it.
Go Paul.
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any, not and.
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And I was so enjoying the intelligent conversation we were having …
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“the warm glow that accompanies charitable giving has a physiological basis.” – it seems then, that nature (or as Kathy would say, “god”) has encoded us to reward ourselves for sharing, an attribute that benefits the survival of the species.
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kathy, what type of christian? which brand is the true brand?
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