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I dont mind someone finding childbirth superior or inferior. I dont care to argue over that.
All I am saying, is that to me, women can be wise and can have good advise and can make good points. I think women are as capable of these things as men.
Women are not as capable (generally speaking) as men in sports, and strength, etc. men aren’t as capable as women in child birth and nagging, but again, I’m not talking about these differences. Maybe there is a superior and an inferior concept to them, but again, i dont care to argue over these.
But if a woman has something to say, and if it is worth hearing, i do find it unequal for anything to say the woman cannot speak, but the man can. Do you really see this as being equal?
I am not sure where emotional and psychological tendencies come into play here, can you elaborate?
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“given your non christian state you would consider anything spiritual to be arbitrary” – ABlacksmanagain
hm, i don’t think christians have a monopoly on spirituality. I am not sure where I stand on it and it depends on how we define spirituality. If you mean a ghost, then I guess I dont agree, but if by spiritual you mean a realization and pursuit and value of a deeper mind and understanding, then i can appreciate it. I may not be as capable as someone else in that regard, but that doesn’t make me unequal in that regard – wink.
it also makes me want to ask again though, why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
This discussion highlights one of the many problems of religion(in this case Christianity). Scriptures can be interpreted so many different ways. Recently, I’ll go find the comment if necessary, on another blog a person who identifies as Christian and, I can only presume, a fundamentalist inerrantist, made the statement that he did not feel women should be granted the privilege to vote. The reason behind the belief was that it places women in authority over men. He got that from the same Bible that other people get more progressive ideas about women’s equality. Does that mean he is wrong? Or are the more progressive ideas wrong? How can anybody claim to have THE right interpretation?
And, THE right interpretation only matters to people who hold to a literal, inerrant, belief in scripture.
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Stop wasting my time. Theres dictionary.com if anyone wants definitions. You and Nate are doing the two step. If God gives me a command not to have children or doesn’t give me the ability to even attempt the feat then providentially there is no difference. The roles would still make a woman superior. you ask a ton of questions and at least get some answer from me but when you are asked one all I get is long rambling walls of meaningless to the question text.
“But women can be wise.
men can be wise.
Women can speak and offer sound advice.”
Yep and they generally have higher emotional IQ
are generally better nurturers
generally more reasonable
and those are all non body part reasons why they are just plain better at some things. Men on the same basis can have non body part reasons why they are better at things too.
does that make them or women better. Nope. . does it make them better at some things? You bet.
So again how does recognizing roles make for an argument of inequality.
I’m sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you — That’s not my intent. I agree that you’re earlier comments to Marvin were very polite. But you started the next comment off by telling Marvin that he didn’tknow what he was taking about. Do you see how that could have made him defensive? Instead of using that phrase, do you think you might have gotten farther by just saying something like, “Actually Marvin, while you’re right that many Christian women don’t wear head coverings, there are actually quite a number who still do”?
I guess, and this is what i think, that when the roles “limit” a woman’s ability to speak and makes points or give sound advice, when they are “capable” of doing so, then i find it to be unequal when the man is not “limited” in such a way when their “capability” isn’t necessarily superior.
I am sorry if these responses don’t suit your expectations, but I’m trying.
even if you dont agree with this, do you really not see the point? we may just be at an impasse then, because the point still seems pretty clear to me, despite being told otherwise.
and i didn’t mean to insult anyone by pasting the definition of equal, it just seemed to me like maybe we weren’t considering the meaning of the word.
want to ask again though, as i am curious, why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
“This discussion highlights one of the many problems of religion(in this case Christianity). Scriptures can be interpreted so many different ways.”
Ruth you are buying into a totally bogus claim. It highlights nothing of the sort. Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue. it could be anything . write a single line of text about a subject give it to a thousand people and you will get back hundreds of different takes. That not the scriptures thats just humanity. You will hear more about it with religious issues due to the controversial issue of the subject.
The other one that goes with this is “you can make the Bible say anything”. No you can’t. Hebrew and Greek has meaning that has served civilizations well in communicating effectively for a variety of thing and the Bible is written in those languages. Sure you can say it says something but then you can do that for anything or anyone.
” Recently, I’ll go find the comment if necessary, on another blog a person who identifies as Christian and, I can only presume, a fundamentalist inerrantist, made the statement that he did not feel women should be granted the privilege to vote. The reason behind the belief was that it places women in authority over men. He got that from the same Bible that other people get more progressive ideas about women’s equality.”
He got that out of ignorance not the Bible. Read even the scriptures people have been bandying about in this thread. Not one even vaguely relates to outside the church. I’d vot e for a woman in a heartbeat if she was a good candidate without even a second thought as not a scripture comes to mind that would have any bearing on not doing so
AB: “Great!! and since many women in the church have no issue with it then it is them deciding.”
Correct. And those objecting to having their heads covered can choose a more modern Christian denomination or they can pursue modernizing the practices in their own church. We all choose our battles.
The same can be said for any of the other Biblical teachings about women’s role in the church or in society or in marriage. Since these are man’s words, specifically men of at a particular point in history and culture, rather than God’s words, they needn’t be taken as Gospel. 🙂
AB: “He gets all bent out shape and questions my hearing and health …”
Actually, I was being sincere. I’m 68 and currently dealing with a kidney stone. Sounds that would not normally bother me, that I might even enjoy, sound irritating to me now. Why did you jump to the conclusion that I was somehow attacking you?
“Ruth you are buying into a totally bogus claim. It highlights nothing of the sort. Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue. it could be anything . write a single line of text about a subject give it to a thousand people and you will get back hundreds of different takes. That not the scriptures thats just humanity. You will hear more about it with religious issues due to the controversial issue of the subject.
The other one that goes with this is “you can make the Bible say anything”. No you can’t. Hebrew and Greek has meaning that has served civilizations well in communicating effectively for a variety of thing and the Bible is written in those languages. Sure you can say it says something but then you can do that for anything or anyone.” – ABlacksmanagain
that’s right, you cant literally make the bible say anything, but like you said, there are still an assortment of interpretations that can be gathered from it. so the bible can be made to say a lot of things is probably more accurate.
the problem Ruth is pointing out is that most “christian” flavors have “their way is the right way” which sometimes is in opposition to another flavor’s way, which they also feel is the right way.
And paragraph number one is why many people see a book as being a bad way to deliver “one divine word” if you really want everyone to buy into the message. when you’re capable of eliminating all misunderstanding, or at least actually letting people know when they’ve finally got a certain point correct, it just seems like the thing to do – but it wasnt.
and this leads to people having to insert other words and meanings into texts that dont align with one person’s interpretation, when evangelizing that view to others.
I don’t think that I am buying into a totally bogus claim. You go on to state:
Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue.
Exactly. This is the point I was making. Scriptures are written in human language. I did not say that “you can make the Bible say anything you want”. I said that it can be interpreted in many different ways. Are you of the opinion that there is only one way to interpret scripture? And that you have the right interpretation?
He got that out of ignorance not the Bible. Read even the scriptures people have been bandying about in this thread. Not one even vaguely relates to outside the church.
I would most definitely agree that not one scripture regarding authority of women over men even vaguely relates to those outside the church. Unbelievers are not bound by the precepts and commands set forth in scripture. But I think he would disagree with you that a Christian man should vote for any woman to hold a position of authority much less allow women to vote.
Some Christians seem to think they hold the market on the correct interpretation of scripture and that all others are wrong.
I would also point out that while some men(and some of those men Christians) did move to further the cause of women’s rights during suffrage, those men and women were largely viewed as heretical.
“I’m sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you — That’s not my intent. I agree that you’re earlier comments to Marvin were very polite. But you started the next comment off by telling Marvin that he didn’tknow what he was taking about. Do you see how that could have made him defensive?”
Nate you can waste your time if you wish. I mean its your time. This is now your second post all about me and trying to lecture me on how I might have irritated Marv but no lecture insight for how he might have offended me and made me defensive.
I wrote this
“Unfortunately Marvin you are now heading off into territories where you don’t know what you are talking about.”
You can sit there and lie through your teeth that if arch, Grlll or anyone else says “Mike you don;t know you are talking about” when it comes to the writers of he NT, the archaeological evidence of the non existence of David or the exodus or anything else you will come running in to lecture them not to do so. …excuse me a moment………ROFL.
Dude what a liar you still are. You don’t have the moral authority to lecture anyone. You have only deluded yourself and got others to delude you over and over and over again of your non open openess, your dishonest honesty your biased non bias and your don’t give a rip for the truth search for the truth.. all a self con game.
Here we are less than 24 hour after me saying Fine if you can be unbiased……. and you didn’t even last a day
You can lock er up.if you wish. If people get the idea that the author of the blog is biased deletes and censors great!. its the truth.
I should never have even bothered accepting that “We didn’t have a contract after all” non apology apology. Anyway I can correct that error – consider it formally rejected.
‘The same can be said for any of the other Biblical teachings about women’s role in the church or in society or in marriage. Since these are man’s words, specifically men of at a particular point in history and culture, rather than God’s words, they needn’t be taken as Gospel.”
The beautiful thing about that is no one believes you are the gospel or even have the last word on the veracity of those claims of yours either. Even better if you are us based and in the minority. You don’t know what is God’s word or isn’t.
“Why did you jump to the conclusion that I was somehow attacking you?”
because you were and there was no jump needed. IF you are having mental issue then don’t blame me. I don’t know of any rational person that starts asking about people hearing and blood pressure problems just coincidentally when they see the person write something they don’t like and then follow it up with stating the other person;s problem when they just waxed hypocritical claiming “you” statements should be left out of the discourse.
It was perfectly stupid marv. You got called on it. No need to not just move on rather than compound it with duplicity
knowing what god’s word is or isn’t can be debated by all men, and cant be said to be known for certain by any man.
pointing out that obvious fact does little to further an argument and asserting that a particular person doesnt “know what is God’s word or isn’t” doesn’t mean that the accuser does know what god’s word is or isnt any more than anyone else. We’re all in that boat together.
but the bible is undeniably written by men. these men undeniably claim to have had special insights to what god said or did or thought. Why believe the claims of those men?
Others here may or may not agree but I concede that many of us here have said things during discourse with Mike that are…regrettable(I think that’s being generous). Having said that, this is Nate’s living room. While it’s on the internet and thus considered public it is still Nate’s personal blog. He can ask any of us to leave at any time he chooses. That being the case, if I were treated rudely by the host and I also asked nicely for the rudeness to stop, if it didn’t I’d just leave the party. And if I was rude to the host in his own living room and he asked me to leave I’d take my licks and move on. I don’t think anyone can expect the host of the party to abide personal attacks and not remove the offending guest.
Either side attempting to justify their nastiness just comes across as childish, petulant, and immature. “He did it first,” doesn’t cut it. Haven’t we all heard that two wrongs don’t make a right?
Personally, I wish we would all stop responding to insults with insults. I feel like when I do that it says more about my character than it does the other person’s.
“Exactly. This is the point I was making. Scriptures are written in human language.”
So you believe Humans are totally incapable of communicating what they mean with human language ? I don’t buy that. IF that were true we would be incapable of achieving what we do. I agree that human language is flawed but we do still manage to do a lot of communication and be certain about it. The bible repeats itself enough and clarifies enough that we can do the same from it. Know what every last verse means ? probably not but quite a bit.
” Are you of the opinion that there is only one way to interpret scripture? And that you have the right interpretation?”
I am of the opinion that you can open up any book and see what it says and check the dictionary meaning and I am certain that your blog reader claiming women cannot hold political office will never be able to find those words.
” But I think he would disagree with you that a Christian man should vote for any woman to hold a position of authority much less allow women to vote.”
Perhaps but if I were to talk to him and he really is a believer in scripture I believe he would eventually have to admit its not in there.
Lets not forget in all of this women can’t speak silence etc stuff that it is without dispute that women could prophecy. Thats speak as the voice of God (whether you believe it or not). Prophecy was not some little back water ministry a woman would be relegated to even if you believe the passages are applicable to all church services. Prophet was major upfront stuff.
Perhaps but if I were to talk to him and he really is a believer in scripture I believe he would eventually have to admit its not in there.
I don’t know, he seems pretty sold on it. I know he’s cherry picking, but I don’t think there’s anybody who doesn’t. One might say that this is the fallibility of man and no fault of your God, but it seems a pretty poor delivery system for issues which are of paramount importance and matters of life or death.
He has his own blog where he uses scripture to back up what he says. Now, while I disagree with his interpretation of those scriptures he seems quite convinced that his are the God-ordained interpretations and the correct interpretations. I’m not at all certain he’s even doing this with any agenda except what he believes to be God’s agenda.
“. While it’s on the internet and thus considered public it is still Nate’s personal blog. He can ask any of us to leave at any time he chooses. ”
I already abided by a request under an agreement he has even recently admitted to being aware that was broken.. I am under no further obligation. Your rationale that its his living room will not fly. you all are free to talk about people behind close doors but if you discuss in violation of an agreement people by name in a public place then they have the right to choose whether they will respond on a public internet wordpess owned blog.
Like I said he can lock it up from the admin panel but don;t even try lecturing me on the right or wrong of not respecting the wishes of someone that breaks his word so you all can talk about people in peace on a public space.
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I dont mind someone finding childbirth superior or inferior. I dont care to argue over that.
All I am saying, is that to me, women can be wise and can have good advise and can make good points. I think women are as capable of these things as men.
Women are not as capable (generally speaking) as men in sports, and strength, etc. men aren’t as capable as women in child birth and nagging, but again, I’m not talking about these differences. Maybe there is a superior and an inferior concept to them, but again, i dont care to argue over these.
But if a woman has something to say, and if it is worth hearing, i do find it unequal for anything to say the woman cannot speak, but the man can. Do you really see this as being equal?
I am not sure where emotional and psychological tendencies come into play here, can you elaborate?
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“given your non christian state you would consider anything spiritual to be arbitrary” – ABlacksmanagain
hm, i don’t think christians have a monopoly on spirituality. I am not sure where I stand on it and it depends on how we define spirituality. If you mean a ghost, then I guess I dont agree, but if by spiritual you mean a realization and pursuit and value of a deeper mind and understanding, then i can appreciate it. I may not be as capable as someone else in that regard, but that doesn’t make me unequal in that regard – wink.
it also makes me want to ask again though, why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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This discussion highlights one of the many problems of religion(in this case Christianity). Scriptures can be interpreted so many different ways. Recently, I’ll go find the comment if necessary, on another blog a person who identifies as Christian and, I can only presume, a fundamentalist inerrantist, made the statement that he did not feel women should be granted the privilege to vote. The reason behind the belief was that it places women in authority over men. He got that from the same Bible that other people get more progressive ideas about women’s equality. Does that mean he is wrong? Or are the more progressive ideas wrong? How can anybody claim to have THE right interpretation?
And, THE right interpretation only matters to people who hold to a literal, inerrant, belief in scripture.
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as great as; the same as (often followed by to or with):”
Stop wasting my time. Theres dictionary.com if anyone wants definitions. You and Nate are doing the two step. If God gives me a command not to have children or doesn’t give me the ability to even attempt the feat then providentially there is no difference. The roles would still make a woman superior. you ask a ton of questions and at least get some answer from me but when you are asked one all I get is long rambling walls of meaningless to the question text.
“But women can be wise.
men can be wise.
Women can speak and offer sound advice.”
Yep and they generally have higher emotional IQ
are generally better nurturers
generally more reasonable
and those are all non body part reasons why they are just plain better at some things. Men on the same basis can have non body part reasons why they are better at things too.
does that make them or women better. Nope. . does it make them better at some things? You bet.
So again how does recognizing roles make for an argument of inequality.
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I’m sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you — That’s not my intent. I agree that you’re earlier comments to Marvin were very polite. But you started the next comment off by telling Marvin that he didn’tknow what he was taking about. Do you see how that could have made him defensive? Instead of using that phrase, do you think you might have gotten farther by just saying something like, “Actually Marvin, while you’re right that many Christian women don’t wear head coverings, there are actually quite a number who still do”?
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I guess, and this is what i think, that when the roles “limit” a woman’s ability to speak and makes points or give sound advice, when they are “capable” of doing so, then i find it to be unequal when the man is not “limited” in such a way when their “capability” isn’t necessarily superior.
I am sorry if these responses don’t suit your expectations, but I’m trying.
even if you dont agree with this, do you really not see the point? we may just be at an impasse then, because the point still seems pretty clear to me, despite being told otherwise.
and i didn’t mean to insult anyone by pasting the definition of equal, it just seemed to me like maybe we weren’t considering the meaning of the word.
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want to ask again though, as i am curious, why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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“This discussion highlights one of the many problems of religion(in this case Christianity). Scriptures can be interpreted so many different ways.”
Ruth you are buying into a totally bogus claim. It highlights nothing of the sort. Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue. it could be anything . write a single line of text about a subject give it to a thousand people and you will get back hundreds of different takes. That not the scriptures thats just humanity. You will hear more about it with religious issues due to the controversial issue of the subject.
The other one that goes with this is “you can make the Bible say anything”. No you can’t. Hebrew and Greek has meaning that has served civilizations well in communicating effectively for a variety of thing and the Bible is written in those languages. Sure you can say it says something but then you can do that for anything or anyone.
” Recently, I’ll go find the comment if necessary, on another blog a person who identifies as Christian and, I can only presume, a fundamentalist inerrantist, made the statement that he did not feel women should be granted the privilege to vote. The reason behind the belief was that it places women in authority over men. He got that from the same Bible that other people get more progressive ideas about women’s equality.”
He got that out of ignorance not the Bible. Read even the scriptures people have been bandying about in this thread. Not one even vaguely relates to outside the church. I’d vot e for a woman in a heartbeat if she was a good candidate without even a second thought as not a scripture comes to mind that would have any bearing on not doing so
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AB: “Great!! and since many women in the church have no issue with it then it is them deciding.”
Correct. And those objecting to having their heads covered can choose a more modern Christian denomination or they can pursue modernizing the practices in their own church. We all choose our battles.
The same can be said for any of the other Biblical teachings about women’s role in the church or in society or in marriage. Since these are man’s words, specifically men of at a particular point in history and culture, rather than God’s words, they needn’t be taken as Gospel. 🙂
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AB: “He gets all bent out shape and questions my hearing and health …”
Actually, I was being sincere. I’m 68 and currently dealing with a kidney stone. Sounds that would not normally bother me, that I might even enjoy, sound irritating to me now. Why did you jump to the conclusion that I was somehow attacking you?
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“Ruth you are buying into a totally bogus claim. It highlights nothing of the sort. Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue. it could be anything . write a single line of text about a subject give it to a thousand people and you will get back hundreds of different takes. That not the scriptures thats just humanity. You will hear more about it with religious issues due to the controversial issue of the subject.
The other one that goes with this is “you can make the Bible say anything”. No you can’t. Hebrew and Greek has meaning that has served civilizations well in communicating effectively for a variety of thing and the Bible is written in those languages. Sure you can say it says something but then you can do that for anything or anyone.” – ABlacksmanagain
that’s right, you cant literally make the bible say anything, but like you said, there are still an assortment of interpretations that can be gathered from it. so the bible can be made to say a lot of things is probably more accurate.
the problem Ruth is pointing out is that most “christian” flavors have “their way is the right way” which sometimes is in opposition to another flavor’s way, which they also feel is the right way.
And paragraph number one is why many people see a book as being a bad way to deliver “one divine word” if you really want everyone to buy into the message. when you’re capable of eliminating all misunderstanding, or at least actually letting people know when they’ve finally got a certain point correct, it just seems like the thing to do – but it wasnt.
and this leads to people having to insert other words and meanings into texts that dont align with one person’s interpretation, when evangelizing that view to others.
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Ruth you are buying into a totally bogus claim.
I don’t think that I am buying into a totally bogus claim. You go on to state:
Human language is capable of different interpretations by people with and sometimes without agenda on ANYTHiNG. Thats in Christian scriptures and out. doesn’t matter the issue.
Exactly. This is the point I was making. Scriptures are written in human language. I did not say that “you can make the Bible say anything you want”. I said that it can be interpreted in many different ways. Are you of the opinion that there is only one way to interpret scripture? And that you have the right interpretation?
He got that out of ignorance not the Bible. Read even the scriptures people have been bandying about in this thread. Not one even vaguely relates to outside the church.
I would most definitely agree that not one scripture regarding authority of women over men even vaguely relates to those outside the church. Unbelievers are not bound by the precepts and commands set forth in scripture. But I think he would disagree with you that a Christian man should vote for any woman to hold a position of authority much less allow women to vote.
Some Christians seem to think they hold the market on the correct interpretation of scripture and that all others are wrong.
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I would also point out that while some men(and some of those men Christians) did move to further the cause of women’s rights during suffrage, those men and women were largely viewed as heretical.
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“I’m sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you — That’s not my intent. I agree that you’re earlier comments to Marvin were very polite. But you started the next comment off by telling Marvin that he didn’tknow what he was taking about. Do you see how that could have made him defensive?”
Nate you can waste your time if you wish. I mean its your time. This is now your second post all about me and trying to lecture me on how I might have irritated Marv but no lecture insight for how he might have offended me and made me defensive.
I wrote this
“Unfortunately Marvin you are now heading off into territories where you don’t know what you are talking about.”
You can sit there and lie through your teeth that if arch, Grlll or anyone else says “Mike you don;t know you are talking about” when it comes to the writers of he NT, the archaeological evidence of the non existence of David or the exodus or anything else you will come running in to lecture them not to do so. …excuse me a moment………ROFL.
Dude what a liar you still are. You don’t have the moral authority to lecture anyone. You have only deluded yourself and got others to delude you over and over and over again of your non open openess, your dishonest honesty your biased non bias and your don’t give a rip for the truth search for the truth.. all a self con game.
Here we are less than 24 hour after me saying Fine if you can be unbiased……. and you didn’t even last a day
You can lock er up.if you wish. If people get the idea that the author of the blog is biased deletes and censors great!. its the truth.
I should never have even bothered accepting that “We didn’t have a contract after all” non apology apology. Anyway I can correct that error – consider it formally rejected.
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what were we talking about again?
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‘The same can be said for any of the other Biblical teachings about women’s role in the church or in society or in marriage. Since these are man’s words, specifically men of at a particular point in history and culture, rather than God’s words, they needn’t be taken as Gospel.”
The beautiful thing about that is no one believes you are the gospel or even have the last word on the veracity of those claims of yours either. Even better if you are us based and in the minority. You don’t know what is God’s word or isn’t.
“Why did you jump to the conclusion that I was somehow attacking you?”
because you were and there was no jump needed. IF you are having mental issue then don’t blame me. I don’t know of any rational person that starts asking about people hearing and blood pressure problems just coincidentally when they see the person write something they don’t like and then follow it up with stating the other person;s problem when they just waxed hypocritical claiming “you” statements should be left out of the discourse.
It was perfectly stupid marv. You got called on it. No need to not just move on rather than compound it with duplicity
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knowing what god’s word is or isn’t can be debated by all men, and cant be said to be known for certain by any man.
pointing out that obvious fact does little to further an argument and asserting that a particular person doesnt “know what is God’s word or isn’t” doesn’t mean that the accuser does know what god’s word is or isnt any more than anyone else. We’re all in that boat together.
but the bible is undeniably written by men. these men undeniably claim to have had special insights to what god said or did or thought. Why believe the claims of those men?
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Others here may or may not agree but I concede that many of us here have said things during discourse with Mike that are…regrettable(I think that’s being generous). Having said that, this is Nate’s living room. While it’s on the internet and thus considered public it is still Nate’s personal blog. He can ask any of us to leave at any time he chooses. That being the case, if I were treated rudely by the host and I also asked nicely for the rudeness to stop, if it didn’t I’d just leave the party. And if I was rude to the host in his own living room and he asked me to leave I’d take my licks and move on. I don’t think anyone can expect the host of the party to abide personal attacks and not remove the offending guest.
Either side attempting to justify their nastiness just comes across as childish, petulant, and immature. “He did it first,” doesn’t cut it. Haven’t we all heard that two wrongs don’t make a right?
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Personally, I wish we would all stop responding to insults with insults. I feel like when I do that it says more about my character than it does the other person’s.
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“Exactly. This is the point I was making. Scriptures are written in human language.”
So you believe Humans are totally incapable of communicating what they mean with human language ? I don’t buy that. IF that were true we would be incapable of achieving what we do. I agree that human language is flawed but we do still manage to do a lot of communication and be certain about it. The bible repeats itself enough and clarifies enough that we can do the same from it. Know what every last verse means ? probably not but quite a bit.
” Are you of the opinion that there is only one way to interpret scripture? And that you have the right interpretation?”
I am of the opinion that you can open up any book and see what it says and check the dictionary meaning and I am certain that your blog reader claiming women cannot hold political office will never be able to find those words.
” But I think he would disagree with you that a Christian man should vote for any woman to hold a position of authority much less allow women to vote.”
Perhaps but if I were to talk to him and he really is a believer in scripture I believe he would eventually have to admit its not in there.
Lets not forget in all of this women can’t speak silence etc stuff that it is without dispute that women could prophecy. Thats speak as the voice of God (whether you believe it or not). Prophecy was not some little back water ministry a woman would be relegated to even if you believe the passages are applicable to all church services. Prophet was major upfront stuff.
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Perhaps but if I were to talk to him and he really is a believer in scripture I believe he would eventually have to admit its not in there.
I don’t know, he seems pretty sold on it. I know he’s cherry picking, but I don’t think there’s anybody who doesn’t. One might say that this is the fallibility of man and no fault of your God, but it seems a pretty poor delivery system for issues which are of paramount importance and matters of life or death.
He has his own blog where he uses scripture to back up what he says. Now, while I disagree with his interpretation of those scriptures he seems quite convinced that his are the God-ordained interpretations and the correct interpretations. I’m not at all certain he’s even doing this with any agenda except what he believes to be God’s agenda.
http://biblicalgenderroles(dot)com/category/patriarchy/
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“. While it’s on the internet and thus considered public it is still Nate’s personal blog. He can ask any of us to leave at any time he chooses. ”
I already abided by a request under an agreement he has even recently admitted to being aware that was broken.. I am under no further obligation. Your rationale that its his living room will not fly. you all are free to talk about people behind close doors but if you discuss in violation of an agreement people by name in a public place then they have the right to choose whether they will respond on a public internet wordpess owned blog.
Like I said he can lock it up from the admin panel but don;t even try lecturing me on the right or wrong of not respecting the wishes of someone that breaks his word so you all can talk about people in peace on a public space.
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I already abided by a request under an agreement he has even recently admitted to being aware that was broken..
Who committed this flagrant infraction? May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their bed tonight!
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I really do hope it wasn’t me…
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“Who committed this flagrant infraction? May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their bed tonight”
LOL.. thats why you are still one of my more favorited Mike Haters. Enjoy the rest of your day RUth.
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“…thats why you are still one of my more favorited Mike Haters.”
Hate is such a strong word…
You have a nice rest of your day, too.
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