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Nate you can waste your time if you wish. I mean its your time. This is now your second post all about me and trying to lecture me on how I might have irritated Marv but no lecture insight for how he might have offended me and made me defensive.
I don’t mind. I think the personality stuff keeps us from having a productive dialog anyway, so why not spend some time trying to address the root issues?
I wrote this
“Unfortunately Marvin you are now heading off into territories where you don’t know what you are talking about.”
You can sit there and lie through your teeth that if arch, Grlll or anyone else says “Mike you don;t know you are talking about” when it comes to the writers of he NT, the archaeological evidence of the non existence of David or the exodus or anything else you will come running in to lecture them not to do so. …excuse me a moment………ROFL.
Granted, I usually don’t step in on something that minor. I only brought it up to you because you felt like I was singling you out unfairly in your later comment to Marvin, which was unquestionably rude. I was just trying to point out where I think you started to cross the line, even if you weren’t aware of it. I’m honestly not trying to bust your balls or anything. You may not be aware that some of your statements can seem impolite. And the same could be true of me. Obviously, you feel like I’m a liar, biased, etc. I try not to be those things, but I’m certainly not perfect. So even if I feel like I haven’t been unfair, if you do, then I apologize. I’ll try to be better going forward.
Do you see where your statement about Marvin not knowing what he was talking about could have been taken badly? That there might have been a more diplomatic way to say it?
i can certainly see where someone reading the bible might think that it teaches that women should not usurp authority over a man to teach a man. and i mean, it kinda does.
I think words can be written concisely in human language, I just don’t think the bible is a good example of that, as evidenced by the plethora of varying dogmas, ideas, denominations and commentaries revolving around it.
if it was concise, it would be more easily understood, with fewer varieties.
but the bible is what it is, and despite how i view it, it could be true, as i could be wrong. why is such a book, with such claims as having special knowledge of god, believable and found trustworthy anyways? .
You don’t need to try nate. Thats just a cop out to put off fixing your issues. You can choose to be honest with yourself any time you want. You just don’t choose to be. It is what it is. Its the truth. You ARE intellectually dishonest Thats a solid logical observation based on the facts. Some people really are. Theres just no way that a half way intelligent person isn’t aware at this point that he is singling out one person (the only one on his blog that disagrees with his views who sticks around)and applying a standard he will not apply to anyone else.
Will the new standard be that Arch and company not be able to simply say –
“MIke you don’t know what you are saying…talking about… you are of into subjects you are uninformed, ignorant, or any other version of you don’t know what you are talking about?
Of course not and anyone objectively reading this blog and these blog comments would know you are being dishonest. to make it more rich even in this thread you yourself used the word ignorant to me but called no foul on it.
This is just waaaay too funny. 🙂 Everyone reading this knows that no such standard exists or will exist going forward. None of them or you will probably admit it now because well it would indict you and make your dishonesty even more obvious but yes we all know you have no such standard
These are the same kind of games you play with the NT and the Bible. This is one of the reasons why you are having problems. When your actions are CLEARLY dishonest you try desperately to play the saint. When you are being on any logical level dishonest its all
someone else, former church members family thats really at fault.
So you are not “busting my balls”. I’m fine I have no problem being a voice that might I dunno help save what conscience you have left. I m fine with that.
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
“And there you are, with nothing but empty name-calling to offer.”
I call them like I see them marv. You can cal it what you like. You are dishonest too. Implying people may have a hearing problem or medical conditions just because they don;t agree with you was and is a scuzzy move. Had no place in the conversation and the longer you don’t admit that the more dishonest you are.
alright I guess even though I don’t really worry about violating the laws of Nate I can dig it. I promise I will forgive you when you repent of your dishonesty. HE will too.
Mike, while I still forgive you, one of the issues you seem to struggle with is in letting people apologize or explain past behavior. Most of us humans, if we’re offended by a statement someone makes, will give that person an opportunity to more fully explain what they meant. Even if we’re not completely sure that their explanation or apology is genuine, we typically give them the benefit of the doubt.
Marvin and I have both offered explanations/apologies about our recent comments that upset you, yet you are unwilling to let those stand. You continue to tell us what we meant, instead of letting us tell you what we meant. This is backward from the way most of us operate, and it seems to be one of the main causes of all the drama we have whenever you come around.
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
Of course I do nate . I even disagree that you should be even heard too seriously on any subject of civility and fair play when you continue to ignore your own obvious intellectually dishonesty.
whats backward from the way that any truly good person operates is that one does not make up a bogus rule just to censor one person.
Again will the new rule be that no one can claim that another is uninformed, ignorant (which you used in this thread to me) talking anything they are not educated on or drifting into a subject they are unaware of the facts on???
Do tell.
But then you won’t tell
because everyone here knows saying someone was uniformed of something has never and never will be a rule here that you will apply equally. At best what you will do is make up some bogus criteria under which them saying I or Christians are uninformed is different.
Seriously your self delusion runs deeper than I realized but its not even possible so deep that you don’t see the outlines of your own duplicity at this point.
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
Well, actually, I think most people will see that I repeatedly apologize if I’ve offended you, offer to further explain anything I might have said that didn’t come across well, and simply ask you to avoid personal attacks. But you continue to obnoxiously bulldoze through those efforts, while claiming that you’ve been mistreated.
When it comes to other people — yes, I’m asking everyone to play nice. But none of them have commented since you and I have been talking about this. So forget about them for the moment. I’d never ask anyone to remain polite if they were being attacked. So if anyone else on here cuts loose on you, then sure — respond in kind. They would have it coming.
But since that’s not currently happening, why don’t we deal with the situation in front of us? Will you now please answer my question? Do you see how your opening statement to Marvin about him not knowing what he was talking about could be seen as offensive? Do you recognize that you probably could have phrased it better? No one’s asking for a formal apology — I’m just curious if you’re able to see what might have set him off. Can you?
Nate, I admire your efforts to be fair to Mike. But I do think you are letting him take advantage of your fairness and kind nature. He insults you and laughs your sincere efforts. If he really is a Christian then he is actually acting contrary to Scripture with his insulting comments.
I have trouble seeing Mike as other than someone who is here to try and get people to ‘bite’. As a result I would suggest the best response is to ignore him.
I agree with peter. I think bate is being tossed out continually in hopes that enough people will bite in order to have an excuse to ignore the original topics.
so at some point, maybe we could get back to one of the, like why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
Yeah, but William, you know that a firm Bible believer feels like they have an answer for that, and it’s going to sprawl in all kinds of directions: history, archaeology, prophecy, etc. It might be better to tackle those in smaller bites. We’ve already got almost 300 comments on this one.
Not saying you shouldn’t ask, but it’s certainly not going to be a quick conversation.
“Well, actually, I think most people will see that I repeatedly apologize if I’ve offended you, ”
You can appeal to your friends here that will agree with you no matter what all you want . I see not a single apology for your most egregious behaviour of making up phony rules in order to pontificate on your own virtue and censor. You continue to obnoxiously bulldozing claim you are right in the face of all logic that says other wise
What you call obnoxious bull dozing is holding you accountable for very obvious intellectual dishonesty
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Where is the rule that no one can question the knowledge of anyone and how are you going to spin that you yourself have called people ignorant in THIS thread
Again
are you going to come running in to stop your friends from claiming a Christian is ignorant of any fact, uninformed, or drifting into an area he does not know what he/she talking about.
Like I said do tell
Buy yet again you won’t
Because like I said you are totally intellectually dishonest.
We both discussed our options and what we are prepared to do.
Let stop wasting each other time. I am fine with any outcome. what I won’t be doing help you scratch your fake “I am nate a civil person” itch while you are being nothing but dishonest. You can try and redirect ten more times it wont work til you deal with your dishonesty.
Sounds good to me. We’re obviously not going to get anywhere, so please stop coming around. If you have a few last points you want to make on any of the threads you’ve been visiting lately, feel free. But please don’t comment on any new threads.
i don’t expect anything, really. and if he just answered “faith” then there’s nothing to even argue with. I’m really curious as to what mike’s position is, as he never really says.
and I think it’s better that arguing over who the bigger turd-sandwich is. I’m all for holding someone accountable, but someone just denies everything for the sake of denying, then… well, here we are…
especially when they bow up, feigning intellectual and spiritual superiority, while dodging questions again and again, and while acting like their questions are being ignored, when they’ve in fact been answered often.
what’s that saying, “you can lead a horse to water, you just cant make him smart…”
it’s entertaining in a pitiful way, because mike does no good for his own position. sad really.
I say what should be obvious by now if you were paying attention. I do not nor have I ever cared for what you rubber stampers claim. Reasonable logic appeals to me not hand waving to your few online friends. Rubber stamping is what drives the few locals to the place and is your psychological pay off so whats new? Seh La Vie
You prove me wrong. Show me by any fact and reasonable logic anywhere where you have maintained the standard that claiming someone was uninformed, unaware of facts drifting into areas they don’t know as crossing a line and we can talk You wil finally be up to snuff and worthy of being taken seriously
You can’t and we both know it.
Furthermore the HILARIOUS thing about pete chiming in to defend you on it is that Pete will be at the front of the line soon claiming I or Christians are uninformed about something regarding the Bible or the NT most likely in a matter of days from now as he does often….lol
and you will be likely to be thanking the post when he does as you have in the past
Hilarious hypocrisy I give you that. Hypocrisy at a truly extraordinary level
request denied. We had a previous agreement you broke and I was clear I was agreeing to no more. Use what tools you have and do not beg that I oblige you again.
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I don’t mind. I think the personality stuff keeps us from having a productive dialog anyway, so why not spend some time trying to address the root issues?
Granted, I usually don’t step in on something that minor. I only brought it up to you because you felt like I was singling you out unfairly in your later comment to Marvin, which was unquestionably rude. I was just trying to point out where I think you started to cross the line, even if you weren’t aware of it. I’m honestly not trying to bust your balls or anything. You may not be aware that some of your statements can seem impolite. And the same could be true of me. Obviously, you feel like I’m a liar, biased, etc. I try not to be those things, but I’m certainly not perfect. So even if I feel like I haven’t been unfair, if you do, then I apologize. I’ll try to be better going forward.
Do you see where your statement about Marvin not knowing what he was talking about could have been taken badly? That there might have been a more diplomatic way to say it?
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i can certainly see where someone reading the bible might think that it teaches that women should not usurp authority over a man to teach a man. and i mean, it kinda does.
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And there you are, with nothing but empty name-calling to offer.
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I think words can be written concisely in human language, I just don’t think the bible is a good example of that, as evidenced by the plethora of varying dogmas, ideas, denominations and commentaries revolving around it.
if it was concise, it would be more easily understood, with fewer varieties.
but the bible is what it is, and despite how i view it, it could be true, as i could be wrong. why is such a book, with such claims as having special knowledge of god, believable and found trustworthy anyways? .
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“I’ll try to be better going forward.”
You don’t need to try nate. Thats just a cop out to put off fixing your issues. You can choose to be honest with yourself any time you want. You just don’t choose to be. It is what it is. Its the truth. You ARE intellectually dishonest Thats a solid logical observation based on the facts. Some people really are. Theres just no way that a half way intelligent person isn’t aware at this point that he is singling out one person (the only one on his blog that disagrees with his views who sticks around)and applying a standard he will not apply to anyone else.
Will the new standard be that Arch and company not be able to simply say –
“MIke you don’t know what you are saying…talking about… you are of into subjects you are uninformed, ignorant, or any other version of you don’t know what you are talking about?
Of course not and anyone objectively reading this blog and these blog comments would know you are being dishonest. to make it more rich even in this thread you yourself used the word ignorant to me but called no foul on it.
This is just waaaay too funny. 🙂 Everyone reading this knows that no such standard exists or will exist going forward. None of them or you will probably admit it now because well it would indict you and make your dishonesty even more obvious but yes we all know you have no such standard
These are the same kind of games you play with the NT and the Bible. This is one of the reasons why you are having problems. When your actions are CLEARLY dishonest you try desperately to play the saint. When you are being on any logical level dishonest its all
someone else, former church members family thats really at fault.
So you are not “busting my balls”. I’m fine I have no problem being a voice that might I dunno help save what conscience you have left. I m fine with that.
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now that that’s out of the way:
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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I forgive you, Mike.
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“And there you are, with nothing but empty name-calling to offer.”
I call them like I see them marv. You can cal it what you like. You are dishonest too. Implying people may have a hearing problem or medical conditions just because they don;t agree with you was and is a scuzzy move. Had no place in the conversation and the longer you don’t admit that the more dishonest you are.
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“I forgive you, Mike.”
alright I guess even though I don’t really worry about violating the laws of Nate I can dig it. I promise I will forgive you when you repent of your dishonesty. HE will too.
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Mike, while I still forgive you, one of the issues you seem to struggle with is in letting people apologize or explain past behavior. Most of us humans, if we’re offended by a statement someone makes, will give that person an opportunity to more fully explain what they meant. Even if we’re not completely sure that their explanation or apology is genuine, we typically give them the benefit of the doubt.
Marvin and I have both offered explanations/apologies about our recent comments that upset you, yet you are unwilling to let those stand. You continue to tell us what we meant, instead of letting us tell you what we meant. This is backward from the way most of us operate, and it seems to be one of the main causes of all the drama we have whenever you come around.
Do you disagree?
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now that that’s out of the way:
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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Of course I do nate . I even disagree that you should be even heard too seriously on any subject of civility and fair play when you continue to ignore your own obvious intellectually dishonesty.
whats backward from the way that any truly good person operates is that one does not make up a bogus rule just to censor one person.
Again will the new rule be that no one can claim that another is uninformed, ignorant (which you used in this thread to me) talking anything they are not educated on or drifting into a subject they are unaware of the facts on???
Do tell.
But then you won’t tell
because everyone here knows saying someone was uniformed of something has never and never will be a rule here that you will apply equally. At best what you will do is make up some bogus criteria under which them saying I or Christians are uninformed is different.
Seriously your self delusion runs deeper than I realized but its not even possible so deep that you don’t see the outlines of your own duplicity at this point.
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and now, maybe…
why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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Well, actually, I think most people will see that I repeatedly apologize if I’ve offended you, offer to further explain anything I might have said that didn’t come across well, and simply ask you to avoid personal attacks. But you continue to obnoxiously bulldoze through those efforts, while claiming that you’ve been mistreated.
When it comes to other people — yes, I’m asking everyone to play nice. But none of them have commented since you and I have been talking about this. So forget about them for the moment. I’d never ask anyone to remain polite if they were being attacked. So if anyone else on here cuts loose on you, then sure — respond in kind. They would have it coming.
But since that’s not currently happening, why don’t we deal with the situation in front of us? Will you now please answer my question? Do you see how your opening statement to Marvin about him not knowing what he was talking about could be seen as offensive? Do you recognize that you probably could have phrased it better? No one’s asking for a formal apology — I’m just curious if you’re able to see what might have set him off. Can you?
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Nate, I admire your efforts to be fair to Mike. But I do think you are letting him take advantage of your fairness and kind nature. He insults you and laughs your sincere efforts. If he really is a Christian then he is actually acting contrary to Scripture with his insulting comments.
I have trouble seeing Mike as other than someone who is here to try and get people to ‘bite’. As a result I would suggest the best response is to ignore him.
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Thanks Peter. You may be right… I’ve thought that about Mike, myself. I’m sort of hoping he can prove us wrong though.
What do you say, Mike?
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I agree with peter. I think bate is being tossed out continually in hopes that enough people will bite in order to have an excuse to ignore the original topics.
so at some point, maybe we could get back to one of the, like why assign true spirituality and truth to the bible, as if it were from god, when it’s a book that was written by men who only claim to have a special knowledge of god?
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Yeah, but William, you know that a firm Bible believer feels like they have an answer for that, and it’s going to sprawl in all kinds of directions: history, archaeology, prophecy, etc. It might be better to tackle those in smaller bites. We’ve already got almost 300 comments on this one.
Not saying you shouldn’t ask, but it’s certainly not going to be a quick conversation.
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“Well, actually, I think most people will see that I repeatedly apologize if I’ve offended you, ”
You can appeal to your friends here that will agree with you no matter what all you want . I see not a single apology for your most egregious behaviour of making up phony rules in order to pontificate on your own virtue and censor. You continue to obnoxiously bulldozing claim you are right in the face of all logic that says other wise
What you call obnoxious bull dozing is holding you accountable for very obvious intellectual dishonesty
Again
Where is the rule that no one can question the knowledge of anyone and how are you going to spin that you yourself have called people ignorant in THIS thread
Again
are you going to come running in to stop your friends from claiming a Christian is ignorant of any fact, uninformed, or drifting into an area he does not know what he/she talking about.
Like I said do tell
Buy yet again you won’t
Because like I said you are totally intellectually dishonest.
We both discussed our options and what we are prepared to do.
Let stop wasting each other time. I am fine with any outcome. what I won’t be doing help you scratch your fake “I am nate a civil person” itch while you are being nothing but dishonest. You can try and redirect ten more times it wont work til you deal with your dishonesty.
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Sounds good to me. We’re obviously not going to get anywhere, so please stop coming around. If you have a few last points you want to make on any of the threads you’ve been visiting lately, feel free. But please don’t comment on any new threads.
Thanks
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i don’t expect anything, really. and if he just answered “faith” then there’s nothing to even argue with. I’m really curious as to what mike’s position is, as he never really says.
and I think it’s better that arguing over who the bigger turd-sandwich is. I’m all for holding someone accountable, but someone just denies everything for the sake of denying, then… well, here we are…
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“Because like I said you are totally intellectually dishonest.” ABlacksmanagain
you’re in good company then.
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internet tough guys are funny.
especially when they bow up, feigning intellectual and spiritual superiority, while dodging questions again and again, and while acting like their questions are being ignored, when they’ve in fact been answered often.
what’s that saying, “you can lead a horse to water, you just cant make him smart…”
it’s entertaining in a pitiful way, because mike does no good for his own position. sad really.
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“What do you say, Mike?”
I say what should be obvious by now if you were paying attention. I do not nor have I ever cared for what you rubber stampers claim. Reasonable logic appeals to me not hand waving to your few online friends. Rubber stamping is what drives the few locals to the place and is your psychological pay off so whats new? Seh La Vie
You prove me wrong. Show me by any fact and reasonable logic anywhere where you have maintained the standard that claiming someone was uninformed, unaware of facts drifting into areas they don’t know as crossing a line and we can talk You wil finally be up to snuff and worthy of being taken seriously
You can’t and we both know it.
Furthermore the HILARIOUS thing about pete chiming in to defend you on it is that Pete will be at the front of the line soon claiming I or Christians are uninformed about something regarding the Bible or the NT most likely in a matter of days from now as he does often….lol
and you will be likely to be thanking the post when he does as you have in the past
Hilarious hypocrisy I give you that. Hypocrisy at a truly extraordinary level
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” But please don’t comment on any new threads.”
request denied. We had a previous agreement you broke and I was clear I was agreeing to no more. Use what tools you have and do not beg that I oblige you again.
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