lol barry, you and I have the same type of humor. anyway, this same pastor also previously claimed God should drop a nuke on the US, because it appoints gay ambassadors.
just crazy.
so, I still cannot help myself and I’ve been watching too much Christian t.v.
the apologetics.
whereas gays make them rabid and foam at the mouth,
they just love making stupid jokes about athiests and agnostics. you guys are their comic relief.
one of them said, “you almost want to fell sorry for them if they weren’t so laughably ignorant. and the whole audience broke out in laughter and applause.
also a big alugh getter is, atheist don’t believe in pink unicorns, therefore they don’t argue against pink unicorns, and they say they don’t believe in god, yet the argue vehemently against god, and that is because deep down thye know go dis real. this usually garners laughs and a standing ovation. STOOOOOPPPIIIDDD!!!!!!!!!
but i’ve noticed what you guys argue all along, they are unable to make any point that doesn’t go directly back to “the bible says” and “it’s the final authority”. no proof of anything other that their feelings .
one thing I have been enjoying about the Christian t.v, programs though, a lot of them are beginning to preach that satanic aliens are about to invade and take over. that I find of great interest as I’m a firm believer in aliens and the “ancient alien” theories.
I watched the video. I sat staring at it for a moment afterward thinking on it. I am a white man who currently resides in the southeast USA. I know that lots of white people (maybe some black) don’t view the Confederate Flag as racist. I know that they dont view the civil war as a struggle to preserve oppression, but of culture.
I suspect that those who argue so hard now to make that shooting in SC about anything but race, likely do so because they’re afraid of it conveying a message that all white people hate all black people.
I think, among other things, this involves selfishness and pride. It’s not hard to see why many view the Confederate Flag as racist. It flew over a rebellious “nation” that wanted to preserve slavery. That may not have been all the civil war entailed, but that was certainly a part of it. That flag is held up by the same people who’ll routinely say, “you dont like this country then leave,” or “why ‘african-american’ and not just American?” If you feel strongly about this nation’s ideals, then why attach yourself to a Flag of group of people who fought the USA, and who wanted to legalizing the enslavement of a particular group of people who had a particular skin color? If you dont love this country, then you are, of course, free to leave and you take your confederate flag with you, if you like.
And this kid sure looks like a racist murderer. Racism can be and is an issue with every race, but I think the nation as a whole is improving. with higher populations, you also get more crazies in quantity, but maybe not in proportion. even if racism isn’t as epidemic as the news sometimes portrays, pretending that there is zero racism doesn’t help the situation either.
But as for flying war machines in other countries to stop violence, what would be done here? How do you stop crazy? How do you predict it? I do see things that could be done, but i also see those things as invasions of privacy and infringements of freedoms and rights that our nation’s flag symbolize.
We dont have to talk about gun control and I dont even know exactly how i feel about it once we dive into specifics, but the USA has a constitution that includes gun ownership. You can say that it’s only for militia’s, but that is not the iron-clad reading of the second amendment. You can argue that, just not prove that. I think the 2nd amendment would have to be abolished by another amendment before you went much further with gun control, and with the checks and balances this nation has, amending the constitution over gun control is virtually impossible now. but what do you do?
I am sure there is something, and if there is, then we should do it, but i also think that somethings will never be eradicated. We’re animals. We have mutations and crazies among us and that wont stop. Violence wont stop. It cant. it’s part of humanity. Tragedy is part of life, and I dont say this to excuse it, but only to point out that we cant completely get rid of it. this wont be the last murder.
and while I have no particular love for our politicians, I dont think they’re doing nothing. many just dont agree on what to do, so that slows things down if not putting them in gridlock. But they all want to do something… but what do you do?
I dont think any sane person really wants drones flying overhead or the police coming into our homes whenever they like, or being arrested because someone claimed we were “psychologically unstable” or a “racist.”
I am not saying that nothing can be done, but asking what can be done? Does there have to be a trade off between freedom and safety?
one of them actually said that the 7 headed beast with the 10 horns that rises out of the sea, is not a metaphor, but will actually be a seven headed beast with 10 horns that rises out of the sea. HOW COOL IS THAT?
where I live in florida, I have a lot of neighbors that fly the confederate flag on their homes and their big wheel trucks, and I know them and every one of them is a die hard racist. they say the “n” word more than any black rapper. they are total rednecks and every one of them would call themselves a believer in jeezzzuuusss Christ.
ah, the sunshine state. Yeah, I guess the ones I know who actually fly the confederate flag are indeed pretty racist. I do know of some who at least claim to not mind the flag, who do not seem racist at all.
But I really think it’s moot. The flag certainly carries racist connotations, much like the nazi swastika. you dont want to be viewed as a racist? dont use racial slurs or fly the Confederate flag. Want to be patriotic? fly the American Flag. Want to be douche? talk to mike, he’ll help you out.
@SaintPaulieGirrrl, I once wrote the below as a portion of text that I never published. It is still only a rough draft and a rather heated piece, but I feel this captures your redneck neighbor’s ideal of Jesus:
“Our churches fill us with fear and hate rather than compassion and charity. Jesus is portrayed as a white man with his cock draped in red, white and blue while trampling a baby and pointing an AR-15 at its mother. He screams obscenities at the homeless while telling them to get a job, and then he tells us to love him or burn in Hell for eternity:”
when I was about 8 in 1968, there were two Baptists churches in my town,
one black one white. the black church mysteriously burnt to the ground and the blacks wanted to come to the white church until their new church was rebuilt.
the white church had to debate it and vote on it and the vote was an overwhelming, nearly unanimous “NO”.
the two or three people that voted yes were from then on known as the “ni**er lovers”.
so much for loving your neighbor.
I was also sent to a private Christian school and that is something I resent to this day because I was denied a proper education. one of the things that I remember so vividly being taught that it was a sin for different races to marry and have children.
I never was a believer, EVER, it all seemed just too insane for me. I have a very jaundiced view of Christians.
I think that is why I’m so fascinated by all of you guys. you were at one time believers and that is something I can’t relate to, but would like to understand more about.
I think I know how you feel, it is difficult to know how to react when you are part of a group who is being criticism for bad behavior when you do not support or condone such behavior yourself. When I was a Christian I could have been termed a WASP by some. Various protest groups seem to suggest that all the problems in the world, racism, inequality, poverty, environmental damage and sexism are caused by the WASP. I have concluded that such generalizations are unhelpful as they make the members of the group who are not guilty of such actions/attitudes become defensive.
It is bit like the generalization that Muslims are terrorists. It can have the effect of marginalizing the Muslims who don’t support terrorism.
I would find it confronting when some womens groups would seem to argue that all men are responsible for violence against women. It makes me feel vilified, in a sort of way, even though I am someone who does not even raise my voice in anger, let alone become violent. The problem is that when the criticism is broadly directed, rather than narrowly targeted, it can be counterproductive.
In the end criticism seems to go broader because it is the easier and dare I say ,lazy, way to respond. It makes people feel good.
Sometimes we hear about a child be abused by their parents. Some commentators suggest we are all to blame for this. My response, is well I don’t see how I am. I think, ‘focus on the actual perpetrators, don’t shift the blame off them’.
@SaintPaulieGirrrl, for me it was the hypocrisy, the sociopathic lies and behavior, and the blaming of innocents that turned me away from the church. I realized that there was no room for authenticity within its walls. You had to be cookie cutter and fit every aspect of yourself into a model they claimed was one-size-fits-all. The reality is that for some, if not many, it’s one-size-too-small.
Oh, and also, there’s a lot more to it than just that, Saint Paulie, but the above is just a general remark. I tried to change the church from the inside and failed. On top of that, the church tried to claim my family at the cost of one of my son’s, and while I was frozen with fear, I at least was able to protect him once I discovered his safety was at risk.
The below may echo an earlier remark, but I think captures it much better of my most recent encounter with the church and my current state of existence. I wrote the following in correspondence to a person of note in my life, and in the process came to learn something a little deeper. Here it is:
I failed to mention to you a key point: I don’t go to church anymore. Neither does Amy or the boys – but I believe theirs are for different reasons than my own. This decision came shortly after my friend’s departure from this world. There was a stirring in my heart a month later, on the eve of my birthday, to attend church. I was anticipating something big, and felt the motivation to go as something other-worldly. However, on that fateful day commemorating my birth, I went and felt…nothing. There was an emptiness in my chest. I felt wanting and searching. I was left confused, being not able to understand the meaning of the experience. Something was certainly missing, and it was as though I was not supposed to be there. I went to Brewer’s afterward and sat with old church friends to enjoy their company, yet the thing that united us as a body no longer was there for me. Something had definitely changed, but I didn’t know what and so I returned home, and retired to bed for an afternoon nap.
When I awoke, however, it all hit me. I was no longer confused. I knew exactly why I had been drawn to church only to be seemingly let down from the unfulfilled anticipation – I had outgrown the church. All that build up was not anticlimactic. It was, indeed, fulfilled in the way that it was needed. My subconscious was letting me in on something big, and that was that my place was no longer in the church. My place is out there among the people without any expectation. No whisper, no thrill, just the moment of creation – to create the moments of meaning for myself and for others. That in itself is the whisper and is the thrill: the creator of the moment and not the creation.
I will entertain you then…in a moment. However, let me say one fine thing about living without religion: it has made my love life a whole lot sweeter. Imagine, not having anything in the way of loving someone fully – that you can truly put them first rather than devotion to a fairy tale – to love with wreck-less abandon knowing full well that she (or he) is it. Now that’s something much sweeter than making her second to a deity who despotically demands devotion. No it’s not a no-holds-barred free-for-all of sexual perversion. It’s simple, sweet, ordinary and extraordinary all at once. Beautiful in all the ways that this world makes it, and that is perfection. Life without bumps and bruises is nothing more than a kiddie ride at a carnival. We wouldn’t be human if parts of it didn’t suck, and oddly enough it makes life rich enough to breach the void that religion dances upon with fear. If we want to live boldly and in deep love, all that’s needed it letting go, and that letting go is different for everyone. It’s what makes life unique to every individual. Religion tries to fit us in a cage, tell us to sit, roll over and play dead. Imagine all that gone, then make it your reality. Now you know what it means to be human, and no you are not alone – you never are. This pale blue dot is really something.
“Life without bumps and bruises is nothing more than a kiddie ride at a carnival.”
On Joy and Sorrow
Kahlil Gibran
Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.
And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.
And how else can it be?
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.
Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter’s oven?
And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?
When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.
When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
Some of you say, “Joy is greater thar sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits, alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.
You’re likely kidding, Non, but a few months ago, my computer accidentally got wet in a rainstorm, and while I didn’t fry it, several of the keys no longer work – it was a couple of weeks before I could replace it, and although I didn’t believe it could happen, I actually DID go through withdrawal symptoms, and being an ex-smoker, I know just how that feels!
Well, thanks! I have a couple of ideas I’ve been wanting to write about — just haven’t made the time. I’ll try to post something in the next day or two.
things haven’t changed much since I wen tto church as a child.
I’ve been reading the comments on articles regarding the confederate flag and every comment that spews racial hatred, when I go to the persons facebook page, they identify as christian without exception. every one of them.
one of them even said that the only way to fix liberal democrats is to lead them to jesus and if that didn’t work , they needed to be killed. another said he prays for the blacks but believes they are a subspecies.
barry adamson,
everytime I ever went to church I always had an emtpy feeling inside.
I would look around at all the others having their “spiritual” moments and not feel a thing. for a short time I thought perhaps something was wrong with me, that i had been born without a soul. but it didn’t take me long to realize that there was nothing wrong with me and everything wrong with the church. the people having their “spiritual” moments turned out to be all a bunch of hypocrites, liars, thieves, racists, adulterers, child molesters, …you name it.
and it wasn’t just that, but all of the bible stories just don’t ring true to me.
@SaintPaulieGirrrl, I will admit that a number of “spiritual moments” are nothing more than emotional upwellings – a number of which are shallow unless a person is able to pay attention to it’s connection, question its meaning and purpose, and dive deeper into their self-awareness. As a youth pastor and associate pastor,I saw a lot of “spiritual moments” that were nothing more than fleeting emotions, and I say fleeting because they were too often tied to a dogma that killed any opportunity for the person to become more self-aware. If there is such a thing as spirituality, I would say that it’s house is the subconscious – where all our motivations are housed and understanding is kept from us. There are a number of Christians who believe that psychology is nothing more than the work of the devil, unless the title “Christian Counselor” be attached to it, and the science be confined to “doctrinal truths.”
Finding Truth 
Forgive me for my dark humor, but:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/19/texas-pastor-threatens-to-set-himself-on-fire-to-stop-gays-from-marrying/?utm_source=PNFBND&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=Texas
Who wants to go to a Texas Barbeque?
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lol barry, you and I have the same type of humor. anyway, this same pastor also previously claimed God should drop a nuke on the US, because it appoints gay ambassadors.
just crazy.
so, I still cannot help myself and I’ve been watching too much Christian t.v.
the apologetics.
whereas gays make them rabid and foam at the mouth,
they just love making stupid jokes about athiests and agnostics. you guys are their comic relief.
one of them said, “you almost want to fell sorry for them if they weren’t so laughably ignorant. and the whole audience broke out in laughter and applause.
also a big alugh getter is, atheist don’t believe in pink unicorns, therefore they don’t argue against pink unicorns, and they say they don’t believe in god, yet the argue vehemently against god, and that is because deep down thye know go dis real. this usually garners laughs and a standing ovation. STOOOOOPPPIIIDDD!!!!!!!!!
but i’ve noticed what you guys argue all along, they are unable to make any point that doesn’t go directly back to “the bible says” and “it’s the final authority”. no proof of anything other that their feelings .
one thing I have been enjoying about the Christian t.v, programs though, a lot of them are beginning to preach that satanic aliens are about to invade and take over. that I find of great interest as I’m a firm believer in aliens and the “ancient alien” theories.
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Peter,
I watched the video. I sat staring at it for a moment afterward thinking on it. I am a white man who currently resides in the southeast USA. I know that lots of white people (maybe some black) don’t view the Confederate Flag as racist. I know that they dont view the civil war as a struggle to preserve oppression, but of culture.
I suspect that those who argue so hard now to make that shooting in SC about anything but race, likely do so because they’re afraid of it conveying a message that all white people hate all black people.
I think, among other things, this involves selfishness and pride. It’s not hard to see why many view the Confederate Flag as racist. It flew over a rebellious “nation” that wanted to preserve slavery. That may not have been all the civil war entailed, but that was certainly a part of it. That flag is held up by the same people who’ll routinely say, “you dont like this country then leave,” or “why ‘african-american’ and not just American?” If you feel strongly about this nation’s ideals, then why attach yourself to a Flag of group of people who fought the USA, and who wanted to legalizing the enslavement of a particular group of people who had a particular skin color? If you dont love this country, then you are, of course, free to leave and you take your confederate flag with you, if you like.
And this kid sure looks like a racist murderer. Racism can be and is an issue with every race, but I think the nation as a whole is improving. with higher populations, you also get more crazies in quantity, but maybe not in proportion. even if racism isn’t as epidemic as the news sometimes portrays, pretending that there is zero racism doesn’t help the situation either.
But as for flying war machines in other countries to stop violence, what would be done here? How do you stop crazy? How do you predict it? I do see things that could be done, but i also see those things as invasions of privacy and infringements of freedoms and rights that our nation’s flag symbolize.
We dont have to talk about gun control and I dont even know exactly how i feel about it once we dive into specifics, but the USA has a constitution that includes gun ownership. You can say that it’s only for militia’s, but that is not the iron-clad reading of the second amendment. You can argue that, just not prove that. I think the 2nd amendment would have to be abolished by another amendment before you went much further with gun control, and with the checks and balances this nation has, amending the constitution over gun control is virtually impossible now. but what do you do?
I am sure there is something, and if there is, then we should do it, but i also think that somethings will never be eradicated. We’re animals. We have mutations and crazies among us and that wont stop. Violence wont stop. It cant. it’s part of humanity. Tragedy is part of life, and I dont say this to excuse it, but only to point out that we cant completely get rid of it. this wont be the last murder.
and while I have no particular love for our politicians, I dont think they’re doing nothing. many just dont agree on what to do, so that slows things down if not putting them in gridlock. But they all want to do something… but what do you do?
I dont think any sane person really wants drones flying overhead or the police coming into our homes whenever they like, or being arrested because someone claimed we were “psychologically unstable” or a “racist.”
I am not saying that nothing can be done, but asking what can be done? Does there have to be a trade off between freedom and safety?
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Buddhist monks don’t threaten, they just do it. This preacher is seeking attention, nothing more.
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one of them actually said that the 7 headed beast with the 10 horns that rises out of the sea, is not a metaphor, but will actually be a seven headed beast with 10 horns that rises out of the sea. HOW COOL IS THAT?
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where I live in florida, I have a lot of neighbors that fly the confederate flag on their homes and their big wheel trucks, and I know them and every one of them is a die hard racist. they say the “n” word more than any black rapper. they are total rednecks and every one of them would call themselves a believer in jeezzzuuusss Christ.
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ah, the sunshine state. Yeah, I guess the ones I know who actually fly the confederate flag are indeed pretty racist. I do know of some who at least claim to not mind the flag, who do not seem racist at all.
But I really think it’s moot. The flag certainly carries racist connotations, much like the nazi swastika. you dont want to be viewed as a racist? dont use racial slurs or fly the Confederate flag. Want to be patriotic? fly the American Flag. Want to be douche? talk to mike, he’ll help you out.
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@SaintPaulieGirrrl, I once wrote the below as a portion of text that I never published. It is still only a rough draft and a rather heated piece, but I feel this captures your redneck neighbor’s ideal of Jesus:
“Our churches fill us with fear and hate rather than compassion and charity. Jesus is portrayed as a white man with his cock draped in red, white and blue while trampling a baby and pointing an AR-15 at its mother. He screams obscenities at the homeless while telling them to get a job, and then he tells us to love him or burn in Hell for eternity:”
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sounds just like the jeezzuuusss that I pictured when I was being brought up in my little redneck town, lol.
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when I was about 8 in 1968, there were two Baptists churches in my town,
one black one white. the black church mysteriously burnt to the ground and the blacks wanted to come to the white church until their new church was rebuilt.
the white church had to debate it and vote on it and the vote was an overwhelming, nearly unanimous “NO”.
the two or three people that voted yes were from then on known as the “ni**er lovers”.
so much for loving your neighbor.
I was also sent to a private Christian school and that is something I resent to this day because I was denied a proper education. one of the things that I remember so vividly being taught that it was a sin for different races to marry and have children.
I never was a believer, EVER, it all seemed just too insane for me. I have a very jaundiced view of Christians.
I think that is why I’m so fascinated by all of you guys. you were at one time believers and that is something I can’t relate to, but would like to understand more about.
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@William
I think I know how you feel, it is difficult to know how to react when you are part of a group who is being criticism for bad behavior when you do not support or condone such behavior yourself. When I was a Christian I could have been termed a WASP by some. Various protest groups seem to suggest that all the problems in the world, racism, inequality, poverty, environmental damage and sexism are caused by the WASP. I have concluded that such generalizations are unhelpful as they make the members of the group who are not guilty of such actions/attitudes become defensive.
It is bit like the generalization that Muslims are terrorists. It can have the effect of marginalizing the Muslims who don’t support terrorism.
I would find it confronting when some womens groups would seem to argue that all men are responsible for violence against women. It makes me feel vilified, in a sort of way, even though I am someone who does not even raise my voice in anger, let alone become violent. The problem is that when the criticism is broadly directed, rather than narrowly targeted, it can be counterproductive.
In the end criticism seems to go broader because it is the easier and dare I say ,lazy, way to respond. It makes people feel good.
Sometimes we hear about a child be abused by their parents. Some commentators suggest we are all to blame for this. My response, is well I don’t see how I am. I think, ‘focus on the actual perpetrators, don’t shift the blame off them’.
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@SaintPaulieGirrrl, for me it was the hypocrisy, the sociopathic lies and behavior, and the blaming of innocents that turned me away from the church. I realized that there was no room for authenticity within its walls. You had to be cookie cutter and fit every aspect of yourself into a model they claimed was one-size-fits-all. The reality is that for some, if not many, it’s one-size-too-small.
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Oh, and also, there’s a lot more to it than just that, Saint Paulie, but the above is just a general remark. I tried to change the church from the inside and failed. On top of that, the church tried to claim my family at the cost of one of my son’s, and while I was frozen with fear, I at least was able to protect him once I discovered his safety was at risk.
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That sounds like a story worth hearing —
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The below may echo an earlier remark, but I think captures it much better of my most recent encounter with the church and my current state of existence. I wrote the following in correspondence to a person of note in my life, and in the process came to learn something a little deeper. Here it is:
I failed to mention to you a key point: I don’t go to church anymore. Neither does Amy or the boys – but I believe theirs are for different reasons than my own. This decision came shortly after my friend’s departure from this world. There was a stirring in my heart a month later, on the eve of my birthday, to attend church. I was anticipating something big, and felt the motivation to go as something other-worldly. However, on that fateful day commemorating my birth, I went and felt…nothing. There was an emptiness in my chest. I felt wanting and searching. I was left confused, being not able to understand the meaning of the experience. Something was certainly missing, and it was as though I was not supposed to be there. I went to Brewer’s afterward and sat with old church friends to enjoy their company, yet the thing that united us as a body no longer was there for me. Something had definitely changed, but I didn’t know what and so I returned home, and retired to bed for an afternoon nap.
When I awoke, however, it all hit me. I was no longer confused. I knew exactly why I had been drawn to church only to be seemingly let down from the unfulfilled anticipation – I had outgrown the church. All that build up was not anticlimactic. It was, indeed, fulfilled in the way that it was needed. My subconscious was letting me in on something big, and that was that my place was no longer in the church. My place is out there among the people without any expectation. No whisper, no thrill, just the moment of creation – to create the moments of meaning for myself and for others. That in itself is the whisper and is the thrill: the creator of the moment and not the creation.
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@Arch. It’s quite the long story.
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I’ve got some time —
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I will entertain you then…in a moment. However, let me say one fine thing about living without religion: it has made my love life a whole lot sweeter. Imagine, not having anything in the way of loving someone fully – that you can truly put them first rather than devotion to a fairy tale – to love with wreck-less abandon knowing full well that she (or he) is it. Now that’s something much sweeter than making her second to a deity who despotically demands devotion. No it’s not a no-holds-barred free-for-all of sexual perversion. It’s simple, sweet, ordinary and extraordinary all at once. Beautiful in all the ways that this world makes it, and that is perfection. Life without bumps and bruises is nothing more than a kiddie ride at a carnival. We wouldn’t be human if parts of it didn’t suck, and oddly enough it makes life rich enough to breach the void that religion dances upon with fear. If we want to live boldly and in deep love, all that’s needed it letting go, and that letting go is different for everyone. It’s what makes life unique to every individual. Religion tries to fit us in a cage, tell us to sit, roll over and play dead. Imagine all that gone, then make it your reality. Now you know what it means to be human, and no you are not alone – you never are. This pale blue dot is really something.
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“Life without bumps and bruises is nothing more than a kiddie ride at a carnival.”
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I am praying that Nate will soon publish a new post. I am going through withdrawal symptoms.
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You’re likely kidding, Non, but a few months ago, my computer accidentally got wet in a rainstorm, and while I didn’t fry it, several of the keys no longer work – it was a couple of weeks before I could replace it, and although I didn’t believe it could happen, I actually DID go through withdrawal symptoms, and being an ex-smoker, I know just how that feels!
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Well, thanks! I have a couple of ideas I’ve been wanting to write about — just haven’t made the time. I’ll try to post something in the next day or two.
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things haven’t changed much since I wen tto church as a child.
I’ve been reading the comments on articles regarding the confederate flag and every comment that spews racial hatred, when I go to the persons facebook page, they identify as christian without exception. every one of them.
one of them even said that the only way to fix liberal democrats is to lead them to jesus and if that didn’t work , they needed to be killed. another said he prays for the blacks but believes they are a subspecies.
it’s just crazy.
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barry adamson,
everytime I ever went to church I always had an emtpy feeling inside.
I would look around at all the others having their “spiritual” moments and not feel a thing. for a short time I thought perhaps something was wrong with me, that i had been born without a soul. but it didn’t take me long to realize that there was nothing wrong with me and everything wrong with the church. the people having their “spiritual” moments turned out to be all a bunch of hypocrites, liars, thieves, racists, adulterers, child molesters, …you name it.
and it wasn’t just that, but all of the bible stories just don’t ring true to me.
it’s just crazy.
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@SaintPaulieGirrrl, I will admit that a number of “spiritual moments” are nothing more than emotional upwellings – a number of which are shallow unless a person is able to pay attention to it’s connection, question its meaning and purpose, and dive deeper into their self-awareness. As a youth pastor and associate pastor,I saw a lot of “spiritual moments” that were nothing more than fleeting emotions, and I say fleeting because they were too often tied to a dogma that killed any opportunity for the person to become more self-aware. If there is such a thing as spirituality, I would say that it’s house is the subconscious – where all our motivations are housed and understanding is kept from us. There are a number of Christians who believe that psychology is nothing more than the work of the devil, unless the title “Christian Counselor” be attached to it, and the science be confined to “doctrinal truths.”
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