Dear Kathy,
Since you graciously agreed (in our recent conversation) to let me present you with some examples of the Bible’s problems, I decided to do it in this way so it would have its own comment thread. As I’ve said, when I was a Christian, one strike against the Bible was not enough to shake my faith — maybe it only seemed problematic, maybe there was an explanation we hadn’t uncovered yet, maybe the historical accounts were wrong, etc. But as the problems began to mount up, I reached a point where I could no longer deny the fact that the Bible had actual errors.
A couple of suggestions before we begin. Try to be as open-minded about this as possible. As you go through these examples, ask yourself if God would allow such problems to exist in a message that he wanted all people to accept and believe? According to the Bible, whenever God sent someone a message, whether it was Pharaoh or Gideon or Nebuchadnezzar or Paul, they had no question whom it was from. They didn’t always follow it, as we see with people like Pharaoh and Solomon, but they didn’t question the source of the message or what it stated. So why would God operate differently today? Why would he want us to be so confused about his message that we’re able to question whether or not it’s really from him?
Another thing to keep in mind is that even if you come to the conclusion that the Bible has actual problems, that doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. There are a number of Christians who don’t believe in inerrancy. And even if you lose faith in the Christian god, that still doesn’t mean you have to stop believing in God. A number of people, including several of our founding fathers, were deists. I have a lot of sympathy for that view and plan to do a post on it soon.
Some of the items listed here will have links that provide additional information, especially when the issue is too detailed to list here. I hope that you’ll check out those links, since some of them are quite significant points. And regardless of how this article strikes you, I hope it will help serve as a great springboard to launch you into your own research.
Some of the Problems
Creation
The creation accounts in Genesis do not match what we’ve learned through science. This isn’t shocking news, but it bears looking into. Evolution and the Big Bang Theory had nothing to do with my deconversion, but I’ve learned more about both since leaving Christianity. It’s shocking how much misinformation I had been operating under. Not to say that all Christians are that way — that was simply my experience. But the evidence for both evolution and the Big Bang are far more substantial than I had ever realized. Two good resources for learning more about these issues are the following (though I’d also recommend checking out the recent Cosmos series, as well as some of the PBS NOVA specials):
Another problem with the creation accounts is that Genesis 1 says that plants and trees were made on the 3rd day, while man was made on the 6th. But Genesis 2:5-9 says that man was created before there were any plants or trees in the land. Also, the 1st chapter says that man was created after all the animals, but the 2nd chapter implies that it was the other way around. It seems strange that such discrepancies would exist only a chapter apart, but there are a number of textual clues that suggest the first 5 books of the Bible were assembled over a long period of time from various writings written by a number of different people. Many scholars believe that Genesis 1 and 2 represent two separate versions of the creation story that were both included because the compilers didn’t know which was more accurate. Whatever the reason, there’s no question that the differences exist and are hard to explain.
10 Plagues
During the 10 plagues, God afflicts all of Egypt’s livestock with a disease (Ex 9:1-7), and it specifies that it would affect the “horses, the donkeys, the camels, the herds, and the flocks.” We’re told that all of Egypt’s livestock died. But the later plague of boils was said to affect both man and beast (verse 10 of chapter 9). Maybe it meant non-livestock animals. But Ex 11:5 says that the death of the firstborn would also affect Egypt’s cattle, and in Exodus 14, Pharaoh pursues the Israelites with horses.
Hares Chew the Cud
Leviticus 11:6 tells us that hares chew the cud. They do not. Animals that chew the cud are called ruminants. When they eat plant matter, it goes to their first stomach to soften, and then it’s regurgitated to their mouth. They spend time re-chewing it, and then it is swallowed and fully digested. Ruminants (cows, sheep, goats, etc.) are recognizable because their chewing of the cud is very obvious. Hares (rabbits) don’t chew the cud; however, their mouths do move frequently, so it’s possible to see why some people may have assumed that they do chew the cud. Of course, God would know they didn’t, and this is why the passage is problematic. You can read more about this here.
Arphaxad
In the genealogy given in Genesis 11:10-12, we see that Noah fathered Shem and Shem fathered Arphaxad. At the age of 35, Arphaxad fathered Shelah. This information is confirmed in 1 Chron 1:18. But Luke 3:35-36 tells us that Arphaxad’s son was Cainan, and he was the father of Shelah.
Where does Luke get this information? It disagrees with the Old Testament, so who should we believe? Some have suggested that Genesis and 1 Chronicles simply left out Cainan for some reason. But why would they do that? To further complicate it, how could Cainan have fit in there? Genesis tells us that Arphaxad was 35 when he fathered Shelah. Does it really seem likely that Arphaxad became a grandfather by 35, especially when you consider the extreme old ages that people lived to at that time?
Another explanation is that some copyist messed up when copying Luke and Cainan is just a mistake. But this is not much better. First of all, the error would have needed to occur early for it to be in all our copies of Luke. Secondly, are we really comfortable saying that we have the inspired word of our creator, but it got messed up by some guy who wasn’t paying close attention? To me, that doesn’t lend a lot of credence to the idea of inspiration or inerrancy.
Instead, the most likely explanation is that Luke made a mistake. This, of course, would indicate that he was not inspired.
Problems in the Book of Daniel
In Daniel 5, the writer refers to Belshazzar as the son of Nebuchadnezzar 7 different times. Yet we know from multiple contemporary sources that Belshazzar’s father was Nabonidus, who was not related to Nebuchadnezzar. The same chapter says that Darius the Mede took over Babylon, but this person does not seem to have ever existed. Daniel says that he was the son of Ahaseurus, and in mentioning this, the author of Daniel indicates that he was thinking of a later ruler — the persian emperor Darius the Great, whose son was Ahaseurus. This post in particular goes into the problems surrounding the 5th chapter, but if you’d like to learn about the problems in the rest of the book, you can access each article in the series here.
Jairus’s Daughter
In Mark 5:23, Jairus finds Jesus and says that his daughter is at the point of death. While they’re on their way to the house, some of his servants find them on the way and say that she has died and there’s no point in troubling Jesus further.
However, in Matthew 9:18, Jairus already knows that his daughter has died, but tells Jesus that if he’ll lay his hands on her, she’ll live. This may seem like a minor difference, but honestly, there’s only one scenario that could be true. Either the girl was already dead, or she wasn’t. And if Jairus already knew she was dead, then there was no point in his servants coming to tell him that (so of course, they don’t appear in Matthew’s account).
The Centurion
This is similar to the previous issue. Matthew and Luke both record a centurion who asks Jesus to heal his sick servant. Matthew 8:5-13 says that the centurion himself comes before Jesus to ask for help. Luke 7:1-10 says that the Jewish elders went on his behalf, and then he sent servants to follow up. In Luke, Jesus never speaks to, or even sees, the centurion at all.
Hight Priest
In Mark 2:23-28, Jesus talks about the occasion from the Old Testament when David ate the showbread, which Jesus said was in the days of Abiathar the high priest. However, in 1 Samuel 21:1-6, it appears that Ahimelech was the high priest. Some have tried to answer this problem by saying that Abiathar was alive during that particular episode, so Jesus’ statement is still true. But that’s obviously not the intent of the passage. After all, we would correct anyone who said that the tragedy of 9/11 occurred during the days of President Barack Obama. He may have been alive at the time, but that event did not happen while he was President.
430 Years
Galatians 3:16-17 says this:
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
Here, Paul says that the law came 430 years after the promises were made to Abraham. But in Exodus 12:40-41, we see:
Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt was 430 years. At the end of the 430 years, to the very day, all the LORD’s divisions left Egypt.
If the Israelites were in Egypt 430 years, then there could not have been 430 years between Abraham’s promises and the law. God made the promises to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3, and as we read on through Genesis, we see that Abraham had no children at this time. Later, he had a son named Isaac. When Isaac was 60 years old, he had Jacob (Gen 25:24-26), and Jacob had 12 sons that produced the 12 tribes of Israel. Already, we can see that some time has passed since Abraham received the promise. Once Jacob’s sons were all grown with families of their own, they finally settled in Egypt. Jacob was 130 years old at this time (Gen 47:9), and this marks the beginning of that 430 year period that the Israelites spent in Egypt.
That means that the time between the promise to Abraham and the giving of the law was actually over 600 years. So why did Paul say 430 years? I think it’s obvious that this was a simple mistake. He remembered the 430 year figure because that’s how much time the Israelites spent in Egypt, and so he simply misspoke. It’s not a big deal… except that he’s supposed to be inspired by God.
Jesus’ Birth
There are a number of issues surrounding Jesus’ birth. First, Matthew’s and Luke’s accounts contradict one another on virtually all the details, which you can read about here. Secondly, Matthew seems to invent an episode where Herod kills all the children in Bethlehem who are 2 and under, causing Mary, Joseph, and Jesus to flee to Egypt (instead of just returning home to Nazareth, because only Luke says that they started in Nazareth). Matthew does this in order to “fulfill” some Old Testament passages that actually have nothing to do with Jesus or killing babies. You can read about Matthew’s misuse of the Old Testament here — it’s quite blatant.
The Virgin Birth is one of the most famous aspects of Jesus’ story, and it was supposedly done in fulfillment of a prophecy from Isaiah. But it turns out that Isaiah was prophesying no such thing — he was talking about an event that was happening in his own time, and Matthew (once again) just appropriated the “prophecy” for his own devices. You can read all the details here.
Another problem concerning Jesus’ birth narratives is that Matthew and Luke both offer genealogies for Jesus, but they are completely different from one another. Worse, they don’t match the genealogies listed in the Old Testament, either. And Matthew claims that there was a pattern in the number of generations between Abraham and David, between David and the Babylonian captivity, and between the Babylonian captivity and Christ. But to get this neat division, he is forced to leave out some names. In other words, that pattern didn’t happen. You can read more about that here.
The Triumphal Entry
While not as blatant as most of these other issues, when Matthew recounts Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, he once again borrows from the Old Testament, but seems to make a mistake in his implementation. See here for more info.
Judas’ Death
Judas is well known for being the disciple that betrayed Jesus, but what’s not as well known is there are two different accounts of his death, and it’s very hard to reconcile them. According to Matthew, Judas threw his money down at the chief priests’ feet and went out and hanged himself. We’re not told where he did this. The priests then take the money, and instead of putting it back in the treasury (since it’s blood money), they buy a field to use for burying strangers. Because they bought the field with this money, it’s called the “Field of Blood.”
According to Acts, Judas bought a field with his money (we’re not told that he was remorseful), and he somehow fell down, bursting open in the middle and bleeding to death. The field was called “Field of Blood” after that because of the manner in which Judas died.
To make things more complicated, Matthew (of course) says that this happened in accordance with Jeremiah’s prophecy, but there’s nothing in Jeremiah that matches up. The closest reference comes from Zechariah, not Jeremiah.
These issues really complicate the notion of divine inspiration, and you can read more about them here.
The Crucifixion
There are several big problems with the way the gospels record the events of Jesus’ death, including the fact that different times of day are given for it, and even different days altogether. You can read more about this here.
The Resurrection
There are also a number of problems concerning the resurrection, some minor, some major. They’re too involved to get into here, but you can read all about them here and here.
The Problem of Hell
The notion of Hell is fraught with problems. It might even surprise you to learn that the Bible’s teachings on the afterlife change dramatically between the Old and New Testaments. I go into detail about Hell’s problems here, here, and here.
The Problem of Evil
Another huge problem for Christianity is the problem of evil, which I talk about here. This post also addresses the “problem of Heaven.”
The Bible’s Morality
While a number of people believe that the Christian god is the source of all morality, the Bible is actually filled with some monstrous acts that are either commanded by God, done with his consent, or carried out by him directly. I talk about some specific examples here, and I address some of the common responses to them here.
Conclusion
Kathy, there are a number of other examples that could be given, including the prophecy of Tyre that we’ve been discussing. But to me, these are some of the most significant and clear-cut problems. We could try to manufacture explanations for every one of these — some might be more believable than others. But why should we have to? If a perfect God inspired this book, why should it contain so many discrepancies? And honestly, some of these issues can’t be explained. They’re just wrong. The problems go well beyond internal contradictions and unfulfilled prophecies. There are problems of authorship, problems with the doctrines, and problems with the way the texts were written, transcribed, and compiled.
I’m sure you’ve spent your time as a Christian trying to reach those who are lost. You’ve always believed that Christianity is truth, and it’s the one thing that everyone needs. But could it be that Christianity is just as false as every other religion in the world? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t you want to leave it behind? When one is dedicated to finding truth, they have to be prepared to follow it wherever it leads. It’s not always easy or popular. It’s not even a guarantee that you’re right. All it means is that you follow the evidence where it leads to the best of your ability. If you find out that you’re wrong about something, you adjust course when the evidence dictates. If God exists, and if he’s righteous, what more could he ask for than that? I’ll close with my favorite quote:
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
— Marcus Aurelius
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“you’re an idiot. The “tyre ruins” dont represent and dont claim to represent the entire city as it is today or as it was in ancient time. it’s merely letting you know where the existing ruins are –”
is this where I should tell you what I think of your intellectual acumen as demonstrated by your posts? I’d rather be kind. Should we compare IQ scores and my invitation to Mensa and perhaps yours?
You can try to rehash Tyre so as to avoid whats to come but it won’t work. I’ve shown that Tyre on the mainland was Tyre according to the Bible and the most your boy Nate could do is beg that the island shared borders with Sidon (ridiculous) and that people in the Bible who stated they came upon Tyre as they travelled down the coast didn’t come on it but saw it out at sea (double ridiculous).
Meanwhile found any cities in Israel contained within city walls with bars and gates shut at night? EH Will?
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“ah, yes, the ole, “if you dont know I’m not gonna tell you…” dodge”
Nah….YOU never told me you needed assistance with using Google to see where the phillistines used to live. So you are telling me you are that clueless you need me to teach you how to use Google. Okay I can assist. go to this site
http://www.google.com
and there is a box there. Enter in phillistines and then look for a link at the top that says images.
Class is out for the day.
“is that what you meant by hand waving?”
Yes you are perfectly demonstrating the art of hand waving.
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“Meanwhile found any cities in Israel contained within city walls with bars and gates shut at night? EH Will?” – blacksman
still havent looked. Are you asking if they’re walls today or back during that time? I know there’s a big wall now, but so far havent studied much on ancient city walls of the holy land.
is this your grand evidence? Philistine shoulders and Israeli walls?
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“Should we compare IQ scores and my invitation to Mensa and perhaps yours?” Mine is 143 last time it was taken, but that was years ago. not the highest, and not the lowest – but i dont put much stock into these things anyways.
but if your perfect god wrote a perfect book that only mensa douchebags can completely understand, then your god is quite the guy. I dont know if i’d say he no respecter if persons, though.
Silly point. You want to have a higher IQ, that’s fine with me. It’s just like you to make all of this into a numbers game, whether scoring imaginary points in a debate or having a higher IQ. It’s not a copmpetition to me, so can you can have all the points or number you want. what they’re worth? I dont know or care.
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“Still haven’t looked”
Why? Can’t find the eyeglases?
is this your grand evidence? Philistine shoulders and Israeli walls?”
Which one are you in the video?
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“….YOU never told me you needed assistance with using Google to see where the phillistines used to live. So you are telling me you are that clueless you need me to teach you how to use Google. Okay I can assist. go to this site” – mike
I’m sorry, i guess this is over my head. I do know where the philistines came from, but i do not see how anything in Isaiah 11 clearly points to the gaza strip, or even how isaiah 11 stands as proof of anything…
was your orginal point about the location of the philistines or how isaiah 11:14 pertained to the gaza strip?
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“Silly point. You want to have a higher IQ, that’s fine with me.”
Hey you want to call people idiots then yeah tell us all about your mensa membership. I got my invitation. Wheres yours at? Don’t have one then shut up and sit down with the calling people idiots
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So.. hands up, everybody. Who’s now rededicated their life to Christ after reading Mike & Kathy’s posts?
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I think Mike (TBlacksman) said that the Ezekiel 4 prophecy of Israel being restored was one of his biggest examples of prophecy fulfillment. I’ve been looking into that one, and I don’t find it nearly as convincing as Mike does. However, it’s too detailed to get into as a comment, so I’ll put up a new post about it. Hopefully, I’ll have it finished today.
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“Hey you want to call people idiots then yeah tell us all about your mensa membership. I got my invitation. Wheres yours at? Don’t have one then shut up and sit down with the calling people idiots”
simple, dont act like an idiot. or at least not throw rocks from a glass house… Feel free to post a picture of your prized mensa invitation. I threw mine in the trash, but i don’t like clubs – especially the pretentious sort.
besides, i’ve seen far too many brilliant mechanics who would have had a low IQ score, too many gifted craftsman or everyday wise men who would have had low IQ scores. But good for you. hang on to that invitation – when you start feeling like you dont really have any valuable skills or rational discussion topics, you can always look at that invitation and know that you’ve made it.
and if you dont want to be thought of as idiot, another suggestion would be to list your factual evidence that you say is so clearly abundant, instead of posting your favorite pop music video.
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“I’m sorry, i guess this is over my head”
as just about everything is
“was your orginal point about the location of the philistines or how isaiah 11:14 pertained to the gaza strip?”
Thats right sparkie. Theres a little flicker in the light bulb after all. It lays out where The jews will sweep in and have to occupy at the coming of the messiah in the last days and so tells you that despite the philistines no longer being around (prophesied in other passages) the area will be occupied
KInda a great coincidence eh? It gets the political lay of the land right and the fact that Israel would have no cities contained within walls (written at a time where that would be totally unheard of) right. Go figure
Thats just a couple sparkie. Mores a coming – for homework start to read this passage that says that after babylon the kingdom would be given to both the medes and the persians at the same time
Daniel 5:28 (Darby)
28 PERES, Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
then wese can play some moah. Mike’s got a client he has to go take care off
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“I think Mike (TBlacksman) said that the Ezekiel 4 prophecy of Israel being restored was one of his biggest examples of prophecy fulfillment. I’ve been looking into that one, and I don’t find it nearly as convincing as Mike does.”
MIke will be putting up lots of examples Nate so get those posts ready. 🙂 Only thing is Mike doesn’t give a rip about what you find convincing. Mike only cares about evidence not whether you accept it or not. I hardly thought you would. Like I said last night
I sensed the mother of all handwaving was about to begin.
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“KInda a great coincidence eh?” – mike Blacksman
is it? have you read isaiah 11?
“Thats just a couple sparkie. Mores a coming – for homework start to read this passage that says that after babylon the kingdom would be given to both the medes and the persians at the same time
Daniel 5:28 (Darby)
28 PERES, Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.” – mike blacksman
Yep, and the persians took babylon whole… they didnt divide it with the medes… the medes were conquered by persia before persia took babylon.
what are you getting at?
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“simple, dont act like an idiot.”
Sparkie by now its obvious from your ranting about Mechanics and I Q test you don’t have much of a score. Frankly i don;t put that much stock in it but when somebody doesn’t meet a certain level but is calling people idiots well sorry sparkie – you had the pointing out coming.
Now go do a the assigned Google map homework and be quiet with all your name caling
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RE: – “all you have to do to prove me wrong is present views that are not against God.” – Which god?
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“Yep, and the persians took babylon whole… they didnt divide it with the medes… the medes were conquered by persia before persia took babylon.”
As far as the BIble is concerned the kingdom was divided (spit and given to both) since medes were integrated. try fudging your way out of these passages
Esther 1:19 (ASV)
19 If it please the king, let there go forth a royal commandment from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes, that it be not altered, that Vashti come no more before king Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal estate unto another that is better than she.
Daniel 6:8 (ASV)
8 Now, O king, establish the interdict, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
Daniel 6:15 (ASV)
15 Then these men assembled together unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that it is a law of the Medes and Persians, that no interdict nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
Esther 1:3 (KJV)
3 In the third year of his reign, he made a feast unto all his princes and his servants; the power of Persia and Media, the nobles and princes of the provinces, being before him:
Esther 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the next unto him was Carshena, Shethar, Admatha, Tarshish, Meres, Marsena, and Memucan, the seven princes of Persia and Media, which saw the king’s face, and which sat the first in the kingdom;)
Esther 1:19 (KJV)
19 If it please the king, let there go a royal commandment from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes, that it be not altered, That Vashti come no more before king Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal estate unto another that is better than she.
Boooya! For the purposes of prophecy the only thing that mattes is how the Bible saw it and the evidence is OVERWHELMING except ahem….fudge masters
More to come….stay tuned.
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1. No evidence of Adam, Eve, or the walking, talking snake.
2.No evidence of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob/Israel.
3. No evidence of a global flood, in fact evidence suggests the flood story stolen from Mesopotamia.
4. No evidence of Moses.
5. The cities Joshua allegedly conquered were either conquered or abandoned years earlier.
6. There was never a census in Israel that required anyone to travel to their ancestral homes to be counted.
7. The four who told the Jesus story, never met him or witnessed any of the events first-hand.
Exactly what were those “details are backed up by factual evidence..,” Kathy?
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“IN that case KK Nate s one confused fellow :). He must have flip flopped back to Christianity because he banned me a couple months back”
Mike , I said, “They are the only ones I know who exercise permanent moderation or banning for the silliest of reasons. :-)”
I seriously doubt that Nate would ban anyone for a “silly reason” There’s little doubt that you probably had it coming. You’ve given ample reasons for being banned in this post alone, though I don’t believe in banning.
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“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. ~ Richard Dawkins
Other than that, he’s a really nice guy —
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Examples of what divinely inspired prophecies would look like:
1.On May 14, 1948 a man named David Ben-Gurion (born Oct. 16, 1886) will formally proclaim the establishment of the State of Israel, and be the first to sign the Israeli Declaration of Independence, which he had helped to write. It will be ratified by the following 37 signatories: David Ben-Gurion, Daniel Auster, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Mordechai Bentov, Eliyahu Berligne, Fritz Bernstein, Rachel Cohen-Kagan, Eliyahu Dobkin, Yehuda Leib Fishman, Wolf Gold, Meir Grabovsky, Avraham Granovsky, Yitzhak Gruenbaum, Kalman Kahana, Eliezer Kaplan, Avraham Katznelson, Saadia Kobashi, Moshe Kolodny, Yitzhak-Meir Levin, Meir David Loewenstein, Zvi Luria, Golda Meyerson, Nahum Nir, David-Zvi Pinkas, Felix Rosenblueth, David Remez, Berl Repetur, Zvi Segal, Mordechai Shatner, Ben-Zion Sternberg, Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit, Haim-Moshe Shapira, Moshe Shertok, Herzl Vardi, Meir Vilner, Zerach Warhaftig, Aharon Zisling.
2. A magnitude 9.0 (Mw) undersea earthquake off the coast of Japan will occur at 14:46 JST (05:46 UTC) on Friday 11 March 2011, with the epicentre approximately 70 kilometres (43 mi) east of the Oshika Peninsula of Tōhoku and the hypocenter at an underwater depth of approximately 30 km (19 mi).
3. An asteroid will enter Earth’s atmosphere over Russia on 15 February 2013 at about 09:20 YEKT (03:20 UTC), with a speed of 19.16 +/- 0.15 km/s (60,000 – 69,000 km/h or 40,000 – 42,900 mph) and explod in an air burst over Chelyabinsk Oblast, at a height of around 29.7 km (18.4 miles, 97,400 feet). The explosion will generate a bright flash, producing a hot cloud of dust and gas that penetrates to 26.2 km, and many surviving small fragmentary meteorites, as well as a powerful shock wave equivalent to approximately 500 kilotons of TNT (about 1.8 PJ)
Here are what Jesus’ best prophecies look like:
– there will be wars and rumors of wars
– I’ll be back…real soon
– humongous stars many thousands to million of light-years away will “fall” to Earth like figs
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“I seriously doubt that Nate would ban anyone for a “silly reason” There’s little doubt that you probably had it coming. ”
Which means that your whole post about Me and thinking I had been banned was just your usual dry rot? Right. I gotcha. I think You should go help Nate and william with the fudging and hand waving on the prophecies coming their way. Time better spent and they are going to need it
“You’ve given ample reasons for being banned”
Then get going with Nate on that. Now might be the most opportune moment since the evidence against their position is flowing in. Gots to turn off that pipe!! or we just might get flooded out
This is about your third or fourth post saying to the effect
gee I really don’t believe in banning but Nate you have cause…….Nate I don;t believe in banning at all but seriously if I did I’d back you banning him…….banning is never a good thing but dude he has it coming.
ROFL such transparent lobbying
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“Here are what Jesus’ best prophecies look like:”
Yo Ron. I didn’t know you were in the video too. Which one were you since Will won’t tell ere he’s at
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“1. No evidence of Adam, Eve, or the walking, talking snake.”
Arch, I will have you know I saw hieroglyphs of the walking talking snake in Egypt which is probably where the Israelites got the idea of it. 🙂
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“Archaeologists say they uncovered King David’s Palace”
Faux News
“But not all historians agree; one group even argues that King David was no king at all.”
“This is indisputable proof of the existence of a central authority in Judah during the time of King David.”
But NOT necessarily proof that that authority was David.
“But the find is not without dispute. A debate over the very existence of King David’s 10th century joint monarchy with Solomon colors the significance of the find, according to Haaretz. A group of historians claim that there was no such kingdom, and if it did exist it was limited to Jerusalem. Jerusalem itself was no bigger than an average village, they reported claim.”
“Critics, such as Prof. Aren Meir of Bar Ilan University, agree the site is important, but say the archaeologists are relying too heavily on the Bible itself as a source of evidence.”
Much as one would expect from Faux News —
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Other than that, he’s a really nice guy
Yeah. He’s swell, real swell. A regular Anthony Fremont. 🙂
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